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Dolphins Cut aj edds/other moves

Edds did not look good in pre season so I am not really surprised. I find it amazing that a kid who would have seen minimal playing time if any at all is generating so much buzz.
 
rob19 said:
It'd be nice if people stopped pretending they understand the game better than NFL coaches do too.
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I don't think you'll find too many people claiming they do, so nice straw man argument there. But understanding the game better does not make coaches and front office people right all of the time. Bill Parcells was the chief figure in the Dolphins front office pushing the Pat White pick and he was the most decorated and most experienced person on the staff.

The people out there who knew it was folly and said so? They were right. He was wrong. They knew better than he did. Or do you not agree with that?

Just because you have Sunday-Ticket doesn't make you qualified to run a franchise.
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Another straw man argument.

So I think it's good that there's a Ying to your Yang.
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I don't see how.

What perhaps you don't realize is that your line of reasoning, such as it is, basically forces you to accept the logic and decisions of any NFL person, no matter what that logic and those decisions are.

Al Davis knows more about football than you. Does that mean you don't laugh when he picks the likes of Darrius Heyward Bey? Are we not as informed fans allowed to say, "Al Davis is the game of football as much as anyone who's ever lived, but that's ****ing retarded"?

Chad Henne knows a lot more about football than you, too. So keep in mind the next time you think about criticizing one of his throws that having Sunday Ticket doesn't qualify you to be an NFL quarterback. Which by your logic means you should shut up.

Yet, somehow I doubt what you're saying here will actually stop you from yelling at your TV if he makes a mistake. Nor will the fact that Tony Sparano is an NFL coach stop you from criticize him if he makes a foolish challenge, or makes some other error. Mistakes are mistakes. The greater one's knowledge, the greater one's ability to spot those mistakes. Doing so doesn't mean one is qualified to do the job, but that qualification isn't by itself a barrier of entry to the world of being right.
 
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Mr. Magoo said:
I'll tell you what needs to stop, it's this group of people who go around telling people who don't like moves to stop whining.

First of all, I'll say anything I like about my team anywhere I goddamn please.

Second of all, this team hasn't gotten to be the mediocrity it is by chance. They've made mistakes. Lots of 'em. Pointing out these mistakes as they happen rather than having to wait for it to be "common knowledge" isn't whining, it's knowing what you're talking about.

All these snarky comments about "armchair GMs" is nothing more than a complete projection by the posters who say such things of their own ignorance of the issues at hand. What they need to realize is is that if one puts in the time and does the research to be educated about a complex topic, then that person deserves to speak about that complex topic with confidence and forcefulness. That doesn't make them right all of the time, and God knows every poster in here is wrong about things plenty, myself included. But that's no reason for certain people to go taking potshots at people because they know the game of football and have the temerity to say so.

I'm not singling out any particular posters here, and I don't have to. Presumably you know who you are. So stop it.
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Since the end of last year and through the summer the vast majority of posts on here were super negative , fire everyone , lose the owner, please call Cowher now post. Anything else was consider homer. Since the start of training camp that's changed with mostly positive stuff and a sence of hope.

Both points are valid until proven wrong.
 
fishfanmiami said:
Since the end of last year and through the summer the vast majority of posts on here were super negative , fire everyone , lose the owner, please call Cowher now post. Anything else was consider homer. Since the start of training camp that's changed with mostly positive stuff and a sence of hope.

Both points are valid until proven wrong.
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And what counts as "proof" in this equation? Because you won't get any agreement about the definition of that word in the context of this debate, either. For some, the burden of proof on those things has already been met (both on the positive side and the negative side). Some others still need more evidence. So who's right about how much evidence we need? And who's right about what counts as "evidence"? And on and on and on.

There really is no absolute right and wrong on a subject like cutting AJ Edds. As I've said before, there are only opinions. I have an opinion, you have an opinion, Tony Sparano and Jeff Ireland have opinions. Sure, their opinions are more educated than mine or yours but they're still opinions. They still proceed from assumptions that can be wrong and they still **** up. No amount of expertise has stopped them from being the stewards of back to back 7-9 teams.

Think of it this way. I'll assume we all have or have had jobs. Is the person who's been with the company you work for the longest or the one with the most amount of education or experience the person who's always right? I think we'd all say no.
 
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rob19 said:
It'd be nice if people stopped pretending they understand the game better than NFL coaches do too.

Just because you have Sunday-Ticket doesn't make you qualified to run a franchise.

So I think it's good that there's a Ying to your Yang.
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To act like coaching staffs never make mistakes that fans can't spot is foolish. We saw our current strong safety, and the longest tenured Dolphin, Yeremiah Bell, get relegated to the bench behind laughably bad guys until he got a chance to start and was a primary impetus behind a 1-7 team (around that at least) embarking on a series of upsets including the nearly dominant Bears. We saw coaching staffs not even have Wes Welker take reps in the offense, until he finally did and another idiotic staff let him be traded. We saw a staff waste a draft pick on the "Ted Ginn family" while trading a draft pick for a QB whose career was one concussion away from being over (and ended soon after).

Just because these guys are perfect does not mean that there aren't glaring examples of their own poor decision-making that everyone can spot. In fact, I've found that coaches and GM's alike are tentative to a fault, valueing experience and a known quantity rather than risking it on an unknown quantity with more potential because it is their job, and they are afraid.
 
I'm not saying they're always right, that's not it at all. But I think it'd be a healing thing for FH if before every "**** these morons" post, you all had in your heads that your level of expertise on the subject is comparatively minuscule. Also, if you disagree with a certain decision, there's ways to deliver that information without sounding like an *******.

I'm not referring to you specifically, but I'm getting really tired of people painting Tony & Jeff out to be bumbling idiots. "No defending cutting edds hur hur, so retarded"; Shut up, guy. Your not up-close with these guys every day, you don't spend hours of your day watching film because your job depends on it. Your so far removed from the situation that when you start feigning expertise with such a delusional sense of certainty, and doing it in your standard Finheaven "These clowns, what a joke, these idiots, ******, etc" fashion, it's tough to read, it makes me not want to come here. There's lots of posts here that disagree with the decision that don't sound like an ignorant ***-clown doing it. Again, not referring to any of your posts specifically.

It's one thing to disagree with or be skeptical of a decision, it's another to be rude, & venomous. & I think you can agree with that. I don't think you're advocating an entire site of people being completely, ignorantly, rabidly, vile about every single damn tiny decision the FO makes.
gator HALF-TIME ceremony

Right?

[video=youtube;bTWxLTbkoqM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTWxLTbkoqM[/video]
 
Tiko377 said:
finally some insight i could see him being on the practice squad and being faster next year tho when he's fully recovered from his acl.
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Research show that only 40% of NFL players recover from Cruciate ligament ruptures without suffering a performance loss. To be fair I don't know if that covers ACL and/or PCL and the degree of rupture. Edds is struggling with his assignments a little and I suspect, from comments Sparano made about him last offseason and from his lack of reps with the 1s, that it wasn't all to do with his injury. The ACL was probably the clincher, given he wasnt the most mobile guy to satart with. Like a lot of people I had a goodfeeling about him cause his instincts seemed good, but it wasn't enough.
 
rob19 said:
I'm not saying they're always right, that's not it at all. But I think it'd be a healing thing for FH if before every "**** these morons" post, you all had in your heads that your level of expertise on the subject is comparatively minuscule. Also, if you disagree with a certain decision, there's ways to deliver that information without sounding like an *******.

I'm not referring to you specifically, but I'm getting really tired of people painting Tony & Jeff out to be bumbling idiots. "No defending cutting edds hur hur, so retarded"; Shut up, guy. Your not up-close with these guys every day, you don't spend hours of your day watching film because your job depends on it. Your so far removed from the situation that when you start feigning expertise with such a delusional sense of certainty, and doing it in your standard Finheaven "These clowns, what a joke, these idiots, ******, etc" fashion, it's tough to read, it makes me not want to come here. There's lots of posts here that disagree with the decision that don't sound like an ignorant ***-clown doing it. Again, not referring to any of your posts specifically.

It's one thing to disagree with or be skeptical of a decision, it's another to be rude, & venomous. & I think you can agree with that. I don't think you're advocating an entire site of people being completely, ignorantly, rabidly, vile about every single damn tiny decision the FO makes.
gator HALF-TIME ceremony

Right?

[video=youtube;bTWxLTbkoqM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTWxLTbkoqM[/video]
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i assume you're talking to me...and frankly i don't give a damn if you like me calling these guys out or not...they've done plenty since they've been here to be called out for...but you probably wouldn't recognize it any way
 
AJ Edds hasn't even played a meaningful down in the NFL at this point in his career regardless if you are an "arm chair QB" or a NFL GM and that statement is fact. This argument is the same as suggesting Kory Sheets was a premiere feature back after rushing once for 5 yards.

I am sure Jeff and Co. are thinking, maybe we should fix the OL problem since Burnett is playing lights out why keep a situational LB when we could replace that position off the wavier wire at any given moment.

Please remember not every opinion is right or wrong and it is just that "an opinion". It's nothing personal guys, just a debate about NFL football.
 
rob19 said:
It'd be nice if people stopped pretending they understand the game better than NFL coaches do too.

Just because you have Sunday-Ticket doesn't make you qualified to run a franchise.

So I think it's good that there's a Ying to your Yang.
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Just because someone was given a head coaching job does not necessarily mean they know what they are doing or are qualified to do so. I bet alot of us on this site can make better decisions than Al Groh or Cam Cameron. Alot of us wanted us to take Patrick Willis, but instead Cam took Ted Ginn.. That right there makes us smarter than the man in charge!
 
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