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Noodleman said:
I think some of you are not understanding what Miami is doing apparently. You complain about the receiving core which is understandable. The reality MIami had MANY holes to fill and it is just not possible to fill them all. Trading Marshall was obviously an addition by subtraction in their opinion....get over it. Nobody is saying the current crop of receivers are going to be the second coming of the packers wr core all they are trying to do is have a positive outlook. Stop whining about how bad they suck, who knows what some of these guys will do. The NFL is full of players who blossomed when given the opportunity...the receivers have an opportunity which is what all NFL role players want. Marshall was awesome in a lot of ways and not so awesome in others....doesn't matter tho since he is GONE!!!! Stop criticizing people for trying to be positive....by the way positive does not equal blind homerism.
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Sorry, that was meant to be a "thanks" not a "no thanks".

People here need to move on. We saved millions and a lot of hassle getting rid of Bowel Movement. And we will get another drafted player for him next season. You can only fill 3-4 holes a season at most though the draft. We just blew off three seasons with Parchells and Sparano, I can handle waiting a couple with Phiblin.
 
Noodleman said:
I think some of you are not understanding what Miami is doing apparently. You complain about the receiving core which is understandable. The reality MIami had MANY holes to fill and it is just not possible to fill them all. Trading Marshall was obviously an addition by subtraction in their opinion....get over it. Nobody is saying the current crop of receivers are going to be the second coming of the packers wr core all they are trying to do is have a positive outlook. Stop whining about how bad they suck, who knows what some of these guys will do. The NFL is full of players who blossomed when given the opportunity...the receivers have an opportunity which is what all NFL role players want. Marshall was awesome in a lot of ways and not so awesome in others....doesn't matter tho since he is GONE!!!! Stop criticizing people for trying to be positive....by the way positive does not equal blind homerism.
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If Brandon Marshall has a big year and we suck on offense (which I firmly believe is what the case will be on both ends) I'm never going to let you people hear the end of it.
 
insomnia411 said:
If Brandon Marshall has a big year and we suck on offense (which I firmly believe is what the case will be on both ends) I'm never going to let you people hear the end of it.
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Sure, be that guy if it makes you happy. Start a blog about it, put that you miss BM on your facebook page, go to his page and ask to become his friend Go to the Bear's site and tell everyone what a great player they got and how foolish the Dolphins were.

What I'm going to do is file this under "whatever". And as BM has a good year being forced the ball and a worse year next season as he gets older and not better, I'm NOT going to remind you that we saved $20 million by trading him. I'm not going to list the two players we drafted with the picks we got for him. I'm not going to list the 10-15 players that we COULD OF drafted because we made the mistake of trading two 2nd round picks for him. I'm not going to mention what a poor influence he would of had on our new rookie QB. I'm not going to mention that he would make us look like a joke on Hard Knocks.

I'm better then that. I'm not going to be that guy.
 
LikeUntoGod said:
Sure, be that guy if it makes you happy. Start a blog about it, put that you miss BM on your facebook page, go to his page and ask to become his friend Go to the Bear's site and tell everyone what a great player they got and how foolish the Dolphins were.

What I'm going to do is file this under "whatever". And as BM has a good year being forced the ball and a worse year next season as he gets older and not better, I'm NOT going to remind you that we saved $20 million by trading him. I'm not going to list the two players we drafted with the picks we got for him. I'm not going to list the 10-15 players that we COULD OF drafted because we made the mistake of trading two 2nd round picks for him. I'm not going to mention what a poor influence he would of had on our new rookie QB. I'm not going to mention that he would make us look like a joke on Hard Knocks.

I'm better then that. I'm not going to be that guy.
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The entire basis of your argument is ridiculous. You're trying to tell me that we are BETTER OFF without one of the best receivers in football while we have one of the worst receiving corps in the league. Brandon Marshalls don't grow on trees, he was our only real offensive threat and we dumped him for crappy compensation. You don't get better as a football team by shipping off guys like that for nothing.
 
insomnia411 said:
The entire basis of your argument is ridiculous. You're trying to tell me that we are BETTER OFF without one of the best receivers in football while we have one of the worst receiving corps in the league. Brandon Marshalls don't grow on trees, he was our only real offensive threat and we dumped him for crappy compensation. You don't get better as a football team by shipping off guys like that for nothing.
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your thinking is flawed also. football isn't just a physical game, it's also a mental game. and that part of the game marshall fails at. Oh and he also fails at being a good teammate. You can pine away for marshall if you want, heck you can go root for the bears and thier all new revamped one man passing attack show.
 
datruth55 said:
What a disappointing list.

Reggie Bush #45 with 321 yards of YAC (on 43 receptions...7.47 yards per catch average)
Brandon Marshall #47 with 319 yards of YAC (on 81 receptions...3.94 yards per catch average)
Davone Bess #87 with 226 yards of YAC (on 51 receptions...4.43 yards per catch average)
Anthony Fasano #184 with 111 yards of YAC (on 32 receptions...3.47 yards per catch average)
Charles Clay #215 with 84 yards of YAC (on 16 receptions...5.25 yards per catch average)
Brian Hartline #219 with 81 yards of YAC (on 35 receptions...2.31 yards per catch average)
Daniel Thomas #241 with 67 yards of YAC (on 12 receptions...5.58 yards per catch average)
Clyde Gates #441 with 0 yards of YAC (on 2 receptions...0.00 yards per catch average)

That's what we have coming back.
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Having a #1 WR in no longer a need!!! Having a great slot WR, and mismatches on the middle range is a must!!! Patriots did it with Welker, Gronk and Hernandez!!! I know we are still finding if our players have those mismatch abilities, but Clay, Egnew, Bush, Bess and Miller should do something if the right scheme is implemented. Good coaches make schemes that fit their players, that was Sparano's biggest weakness. I hope Philbin is better at it!!! I expect a lot of Clay, Bush, Bess, Fasano, Egnew, Miller and Thomas this year. It is irrelevant if Hartline and Gates have 1,000 receiving yards, if Clay, Bush and Bess make their part we could have a far better offense than last year. I'll bet it!!!
 
DANTODUPER said:
Having a #1 WR in no longer a need!!! Having a great slot WR, and mismatches on the middle range is a must!!! Patriots did it with Welker, Gronk and Hernandez!!! I know we are still finding if our players have those mismatch abilities, but Clay, Egnew, Bush, Bess and Miller should do something if the right scheme is implemented. Good coaches make schemes that fit their players, that was Sparano's biggest weakness. I hope Philbin is better at it!!! I expect a lot of Clay, Bush, Bess, Fasano, Egnew, Miller and Thomas this year. It is irrelevant if Hartline and Gates have 1,000 receiving yards, if Clay, Bush and Bess make their part we could have a far better offense than last year. I'll bet it!!!
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And people don't stop to think that the biggest difference between those teams and ours isn't the receivers.... its that they have Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers.
That withstanding, we don't have a receiver near welker or Jennings or Nelson, a tight end near Gronkowski, Hernandez, or even Finley... but the biggest fallacy is not that you don't need a number 1 receiver anymore... its not that at all.... its that you need an All Pro Quarterback to make average receivers good, and good receivers great.
 
Wildbill3 said:
your thinking is flawed also. football isn't just a physical game, it's also a mental game. and that part of the game marshall fails at. Oh and he also fails at being a good teammate. You can pine away for marshall if you want, heck you can go root for the bears and thier all new revamped one man passing attack show.
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I don't want to root for the Bears. I want to root for the Dolphins and I want them to actually be successful. When they continually take steps in the wrong direction it gets annoying.
 
insomnia411 said:
I don't want to root for the Bears. I want to root for the Dolphins and I want them to actually be successful. When they continually take steps in the wrong direction it gets annoying.
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well you've certainly fooled me this offseason. You may certainly be right that trading marshall will set us back in the passing game, as a WR like marshall would surely help out david or moore's production. But that's all he does, is help them immediately. What marshall doesn't do, is play well with others in the long term, baby TO is just that, a productive and disruptive influence on whatever team he is on. And personally other than a paycheck I don't think he ever wanted to play anywhere but where cutler is at. We might not be better of this season, but our team will actually grow as a team without him. and it'll be nice not watching marshall drop game winning touchdown passes on a weekly basis, and not having to worry about his weekly "look at me i'm an idiot" antics that cost us at least 15 yards and a stalled drive.
 
damanref10 said:
And people don't stop to think that the biggest difference between those teams and ours isn't the receivers.... its that they have Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers.
That withstanding, we don't have a receiver near welker or Jennings or Nelson, a tight end near Gronkowski, Hernandez, or even Finley... but the biggest fallacy is not that you don't need a number 1 receiver anymore... its not that at all.... its that you need an All Pro Quarterback to make average receivers good, and good receivers great.
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and we don't have either this year. what we did do is finally take a chance that we can develope a Franchise QB.


Write this season off, you'll feel better.
 
damanref10 said:
And people don't stop to think that the biggest difference between those teams and ours isn't the receivers.... its that they have Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers.
That withstanding, we don't have a receiver near welker or Jennings or Nelson, a tight end near Gronkowski, Hernandez, or even Finley... but the biggest fallacy is not that you don't need a number 1 receiver anymore... its not that at all.... its that you need an All Pro Quarterback to make average receivers good, and good receivers great.
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It is good to know that some people do get it. :brewskis:
 
insomnia411 said:
Brandon Marshalls don't grow on trees, he was our only real offensive threat and we dumped him for crappy compensation..
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Fasano was only thrown half the passes yet caught the same amount of TDs in the same two seasons as Bowel Movement did. (Nine TDs for each)

And it is much better to get two 3's for him this season then to get nothing for him when we release him in a year.
 
Wildbill3 said:
well you've certainly fooled me this offseason. You may certainly be right that trading marshall will set us back in the passing game, as a WR like marshall would surely help out david or moore's production. But that's all he does, is help them immediately. What marshall doesn't do, is play well with others in the long term, baby TO is just that, a productive and disruptive influence on whatever team he is on. And personally other than a paycheck I don't think he ever wanted to play anywhere but where cutler is at. We might not be better of this season, but our team will actually grow as a team without him. and it'll be nice not watching marshall drop game winning touchdown passes on a weekly basis, and not having to worry about his weekly "look at me i'm an idiot" antics that cost us at least 15 yards and a stalled drive.
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We don't need to build a team of choir boys, we need to build a team of playmakers and talented football players. Marshall isn't a model citizen, but he certainly isn't a head case on the level of T.O. He never pulled anything close to the **** that T.O. used to in SF or Philly. Marshall's "antics" are being severly overblown by people on this board that are simply using tactics of revisionist history to justify a bad trade.
I'm not really sure I understand what point you are trying to make either when you say "all he does is help us immediately". First of all he's still in his prime so it's not like he couldn't help us beyond "immediately", secondly is it somehow a bad thing that he makes us a much better team this season? I don't think that we were really a "win now" team with Marshall anyway, but I'd definitely have a lot more faith in this team if we had a real shot to score some points to go along with a pretty good defense.
I'm just saying, I hope I'm wrong but I think our offense is going to be a **** show this year. Marshall was not only a big time playmaker but he also opened up our running game because defenses had to respect Marshall on the outside. Now that our primary offensive threat is Bush, teams are going to put 8 in the box and take away the run. We won't be able to pass either because we have an extremely mediocre receiving corps and a very average QB. I just have no faith in our ability to score points this year, and I think Marshall would make that big of a difference. He would have opened up so much for everybody else.
 
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