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Dolphins have 'expectation of mastery' for quarterback Tua Tagovailoa

Witb this scheme even an average oline should be enough. Unless the qb is holding you back.

Maybe not from taking the division from tbe bills I think that’s an uphill climb as long as Allen is healthy but in being more than a pretender.
 
GhostofJeffIreland said:
it’s not all about 40 times, but general athleticism which Tua lacks. Everybody knows Pat can move well and scramble, no issues there. Burrow as I mentioned earlier is one of the few pocket passers left in the game. If Tua can pass the ball at Joe Burrows level, we’ll be fine. So far, he hasn’t been able to, especially against tough competition.

Basically Tua needs to be near perfect as a QB to overcome his lack of athleticism, height, and arm talent. It’s an uphill climb for sure but I’m rooting for him.
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Pass the ball at Burrow's level?

Not a Tuanon by any means, but you went off the rails with that one.

I realize stats aren't everything, but by any objective measure, Tua has been the better QB and it's not like Burrow has been some kind of Superman in desperate situations.
 
Mach2 said:
Pass the ball at Burrow's level?

Not a Tuanon by any means, but you went off the rails with that one.

I realize stats aren't everything, but by any objective measure, Tua has been the better QB and it's not like Burrow has been some kind of Superman in desperate situations.
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Tua has been the better QB than Joe Burrow? In what world and with what stats can you justify that statement…Burrow is a guy who ups his game when it matters, Tua has had one clutch half in college and he’s really struggled in those clutch situations as a pro.
 
danmarino7051 said:
Your post is mostly correct, but I can’t believe that people are still using the “he can’t throw a deep out” mantra. That’s been proven wrong so many times. Tua’s arm is average for an NFL QB. But he’s an NFL QB and can make all the throws needed by an NFL QB.
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Except it's not as simple as can/can't make a throw.

If you're saying he can throw a deep out as proficiently as the strong armed guys, well, that is ridiculous.
 
Finsup1981 said:
Tua has been the better QB than Joe Burrow? In what world and with what stats can you justify that statement…Burrow is a guy who ups his game when it matters, Tua has had one clutch half in college and he’s really struggled in those clutch situations as a pro.
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So make a fact based case, rather than the eyeball and catch phrase case you just made ........ I'll wait........

I think you know, from a quantitative statistical standpoint, I can demonstrate the basis for my statement.
 
Mach2 said:
Except it's not as simple as can/can't make a throw.

If you're saying he can throw a deep out as proficiently as the strong armed guys, well, that is ridiculous.
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Well, he’s lead the league in deep passes for a few years. There’s more to passing than just throwing it hard and far.
 
Mach2 said:
So make a fact based case, rather than the eyeball and catch phrase case you just made ........ I'll wait........

I think you know, from a quantitative statistical standpoint, I can demonstrate the basis for my statement.
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I’d argue that Burrow has 3 seasons better than any Tua has had, 2021 2022 and 2024. I think 2024 is unquestionably the best season that any QB drafted in 2020 has had. He’s led his team to a within a drive of a Super Bowl win, and much much further than Tua. Burrow also has a questionable injury history but even with that he’s still been available for more games than Tua has.

Burrow has passed for almost 20k yards, 140 TD 46 int, 69 percent completion rate 101.2 passer rating and a higher QBR in 69 total games and 5 playoff wins and a AFC championship game and a Super Bowl.

Tua has passed for 15,500 yards with 100 TD and 44 int, a 68.1 completion and a 98 passer rating in 64 games played and no playoff wins.
 
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Finsup1981 said:
Tua has been the better QB than Joe Burrow? In what world and with what stats can you justify that statement…Burrow is a guy who ups his game when it matters, Tua has had one clutch half in college and he’s really struggled in those clutch situations as a pro.
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“When it matters” starts with 14:59 minutes on the clock in the 1st quarter and ends at 00:00 in the 4th quarter. Burrow plays the same between that time period just like all top QB’s, of which Tua is, in the NFL. I mean, all QB’s have good and bad games, Tua and Burrow are no different.
 
Mach2 said:
Pass the ball at Burrow's level?

Not a Tuanon by any means, but you went off the rails with that one.

I realize stats aren't everything, but by any objective measure, Tua has been the better QB and it's not like Burrow has been some kind of Superman in desperate situations.
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Wow, you really think Tua is the same level of passer as Burrow who carried his team to a Super Bowl. Interesting take.
 
Finsup1981 said:
I’d argue that Burrow has 3 seasons better than any Tua has had, 2021 2022 and 2024. I think 2024 is unquestionably the best season that any QB drafted in 2020 has had. He’s led his team to a within a drive of a Super Bowl win, and much much further than Tua. Burrow also has a questionable injury history but even with that he’s still been available for more games than Tua has.

Broke has passed for almost 20k yards, 140 TD 46 int, 69 percent completion rate 101.2 passer rating and a higher QBR in 69 total games and 5 playoff wins and a AFC championship game and a Super Bowl.

Tua has passed for 15,500 yards with 100 TD and 44 int, a 68.1 completion and a 98 passer rating in 64 games played and no playoff wins.
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Both Burrow and Tua are career 68% completion QB’s. Burrow throws for about 40 more yards per game than Tua (which is a decent difference). Burrow throws about one TD pass more per 200 passes than Tua which would average out to about 3 TD passer more per season. Tua throws about 3 more INT’s per season, on average, than Burrow. Burrow has started 5 more games over 5 seasons, but mainly because he’s been the de facto starter since 2020 and Tua hasn’t been. They’ve both missed about the same number of games due to injury.

Wins, whether they be regular season or playoffs, are team stats.

I think Burrow has been the better QB, but not by much. And definitely not enough to claim that Tua couldn’t have helped lead that same Cinci team to the same successes that Burrow has. Nor is their small differences enough to say that Burrow would have had the same successes in Miami.
 
Mach2 said:
Absolutely true, but we were discussing one specific aspect.
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I’m discussing efficiency and proficiency. Tua has been top notch in both things in regard to deep passing. Better than Allen and Herbert, for example, who have very strong arms.
 
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