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Dolphins have 'expectation of mastery' for quarterback Tua Tagovailoa

danmarino7051 said:
Both Burrow and Tua are career 68% completion QB’s. Burrow throws for about 40 more yards per game than Tua (which is a decent difference). Burrow throws about one TD pass more per 200 passes than Tua which would average out to about 3 TD passer more per season. Tua throws about 3 more INT’s per season, on average, than Burrow. Burrow has started 5 more games over 5 seasons, but mainly because he’s been the de facto starter since 2020 and Tua hasn’t been. They’ve both missed about the same number of games due to injury.

Wins, whether they be regular season or playoffs, are team stats.

I think Burrow has been the better QB, but not by much. And definitely not enough to claim that Tua couldn’t have helped lead that same Cinci team to the same successes that Burrow has. Nor is their small differences enough to say that Burrow would have had the same successes in Miami.
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Last year Cincys defense was a s*** show but Burrow kept them competitive due to his elite passing skills. When has Tua ever put the team on his back like Burrow did just last year? It’s not even a serious debate, nobody outside of finheaven thinks Tua is on Burrows level as a passing QB.
 
danmarino7051 said:
I’m discussing efficiency and proficiency. Tua has been top notch in both things in regard to deep passing. Better than Allen and Herbert, for example, who have very strong arms.
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The discussion was about sideline throws, focusing on medium/deep out type patterns.

Don't move the goal posts. I didn't see anyone post that Tua was, generally, inefficient as a passer. That is an entirely different thing.
 
GhostofJeffIreland said:
Last year Cincys defense was a s*** show but Burrow kept them competitive due to his elite passing skills. When has Tua ever put the team on his back like Burrow did just last year? It’s not even a serious debate, nobody outside of finheaven thinks Tua is on Burrows level as a passing QB.
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Awesome, "put a team on his back". Another nebulous catch phase.
 
Mach2 said:
The discussion was about sideline throws, focusing on medium/deep out type patterns.

Don't move the goal posts. I didn't see anyone post that Tua was, generally, inefficient as a passer. That is an entirely different thing.
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Phinsup1981 said Tua has trouble with “deep outs”. That’s what I was discussing.
 
GhostofJeffIreland said:
43 TDs, 9 picks. 4918 passing yards and a 108.5 rating. Please.
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So you only want to compare each player’s best seasons?

I get that bucket stats are all the rage, but if you really want to find out how good a player is there’s more to it than doing what you just did.

For Tua’s best season he had a 6.3 TD% compared to Burrow’s 6.6. 71 vs 73 comp% for Tua and Burrow, respectively. 1.8 vs 1.4 INT%… Burrow slightly better. 272 vs 289 yards passing per game… 17 yards more per game for Burrow.

Again, Burrow is slightly better… but he’s definitely not what you are insinuating in regard to being a lot better than Tua.
 
danmarino7051 said:
So you only want to compare each player’s best seasons?

I get that bucket stats are all the rage, but if you really want to find out how good a player is there’s more to it than doing what you just did.

For Tua’s best season he had a 6.3 TD% compared to Burrow’s 6.6. 71 vs 73 comp% for Tua and Burrow, respectively. 1.8 vs 1.4 INT%… Burrow slightly better. 272 vs 289 yards passing per game… 17 yards more per game for Burrow.

Again, Burrow is slightly better… but he’s definitely not what you are insinuating in regard to being a lot better than Tua.
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Tough to say, was last year his best year or was it when he went to the SB? Tua isn’t even close to Burrows level after year 5, hopefully year 6 the light turns on for Tua. And stays on!
 
GhostofJeffIreland said:
Tough to say, was last year his best year or was it when he went to the SB? Tua isn’t even close to Burrows level after year 5, hopefully year 6 the light comes on for Tua. And stays on!
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How about their entire careers… like I did a few posts ago? Same conclusion.

Did he go to the SB all by himself?
 
Avigatorx said:
Not me. I don't want a type 3, run around QB. It's like watching a T-ball game, 1 kid running around the field.

Give me a Phalanx turret that can launch the ball all over the field.
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Can't disagree with your choice, but it is possible to have a type 3 who can "launch the ball." And I don't want a run-first QB. Run enough when the D gives the opportunity to get a 1D and keep them honest. But pocket passer 1st. Didn't mean to emphasize the run.
 
GhostofJeffIreland said:
Idk man, all I know is outside of FH which is what I really care about, this isn’t even a debate.
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If you find objective people who don’t use media talking points and hyperbole it’s definitely a debate. I mean, not really in that Burrow is the better QB, he is, but not by much.
 
Mach2 said:
I think the "sidelines" option is where there's a distinct limitation.

With Tua, sideline throws still have to be timing to a certain extent, with less room for error.

Now, if he can set up his foundation, step into it and drive the ball with perfect mechanics, not a huge issue. When he can't, he isn't beating coverage and it's a disaster waiting to happen.

Not saying you can't "work around" that reality, but it's silly to dismiss it with a hand wave as some do.

JMO....
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On sideline throws, we agree. My point is Mcd has to have a scheme OTHER THAN timing as the 'always try this 1st' as his game plan. I get having to pass if there is no run game. But that doesn't mean, every game, ignoring everyone but TH/waddle as 1st reads, or ignoring mismatches, or not using rubs, or . . .
Do Miami WRs even practice finding soft spots in a zone? Not picking only on Mcd. TT often has time to see a DT on MW (I'm exaggerating) and ignoring the mismatch. I don't know if TT's required to go through progressions, or he doesn't recognize it. Nonetheless, something has to change in '25. So many ways to attack a D are unused.
 
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