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Agreed, but it isn't the only thing. We, as Dolphins fans, should know more than anyone that it takes more than just a great QB to win a championship
Dolphins have 'expectation of mastery' for quarterback Tua Tagovailoa
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Tua time!
I don’t know if the math says that but good ole common football sense would seem to
True. I think our friend cbrad came up with a nice stat that shows that a QB is responsible for about 10-12% of a team’s success. Which is more than any other single player.
However, that really has nothing to do with the debate. Some knuckleheads want us to believe that if a QB has a PR of 158, and his team loses, he’s a worse QB than a QB who had a 10 PR but his team won.
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These are the kinds of posts that are reasoned and logical. Persuasive.
Other kinds of posts from the usual brain dead group of posters, not so much.
It’s one of my favorite parts of football. Teams change through the year. I couldn’t stand when college u had to be perfect to have a shot. The old bowl game era was great, but that last decade we spent only letting four teams into the playoff sucked.
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I don't know of Tua is going win playoff game in Miami. The main reason is k.c Ravens and Bills.
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It certainly does in today's NFL. Passer rating is also a decent correlation to win percentage and Tua for all his faults is very good at putting up good passer rating games due to his accuracy.
One of the Dolphins big issues (apart from mass injuries to a position group) is that they don't find a way to win games when their QB doesn't play well. They lose like 90% of the games when the QB posts a rating below league average. Meanwhile better rosters like the Chiefs, Ravens and Bills still find ways to win games when the QB isn't having a good day, I'm sure the last time I checked the Bills still win something like 40% of games when Allen puts up a passer rating below league average.
The Dolphins have a roster construction issue, they need to find ways to win more games when the QB has a poor day.
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I'll be surprised if he doesn't. They can't keep being this unlucky with injuries, there will be a season when the roster stays mainly healthy, they win the division and get a home playoff game.
The team is also good enough to go on the road and beat the 4th seed if they end up with the 5th seed. As it stands though I'd give them next to no shot on the road against KC, Balt or Buf unless those teams had major injuries.
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They might have shot. If they are 5th seed against team like Houston texans.
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I was going to chime in and point out that those dips in Josh Allen's passer rating were probably offset by jumps in his rushing but I looked at his Playoff games (where there's historically been a statistical uptick in Allen's rushing production) and that wasn't actually the case.
There is evidence from Baltimore, Cincinnati and Miami suggesting that there's a link between stopping the rushing and stopping the QB altogether.
Josh Allen's worst passer ratings pretty much coincide with games when he's not able to do much on the ground and that makes intuitive sense. Rushing not only keeps the defense honest but it converts 1st downs, keeping the offense on the field and generating more passing opportunities.
What's interesting is that among all the Playoff games Josh Allen has played, Miami was actually one of the more effective defenses in keep Josh Allen in check.
Not surprising, the opposite was true of Miami's game against KC. With virtually all of it's major defenders out with injury, Mahomes was able to run for the 6th most yards in his 21-game Playoff career...on just 2 runs, LOL.
I'm not saying Josh Allen sucks, but he can be beaten and that requires defense. While Baltimore has been the best at shutting down Allen's rushing, Miami did a great job the 1 time they faced him.
This is one area where the Miami fanbase is definitely too cynical and attacks elements of its own team in a way that isn't reasonable or helpful in the overall discussions about misery and throwing blame around.
Agreed. But that philosophy becomes a "yeah but" when you ask about Joe Burrow.
Though a couple actually respond correctly and put up a facade, the rest just turn it into that one time he made the SB, but has done jack sh$# since.
Mahommes doesn't win a SB if he doesn't have a top O line, one of the leagues best defense and a record breaking day from their kicker in 2023. Is it any surprise that last season was one of the worst statistically seasons of Mahommes career since he became "mahomes'. Yet, there they were, in the SB. Despite Mahomes' QB play
Hurts doesn't win a SB without that O line, Barkley and that defense.
If you have a top 20 QB, you can win the SB if that team has Barkley, their defense and the leagues best O line. Same for the Chiefs.
Some knuckleheads criticize Tua for not winning that Buffalo game last year. Tua had 3 incompletions, 2 being throw away. It was the 9th best QB performance against that team since McDermott took over. But yeah, Tua sucks and when Mac Jones beat the Bills when he only completed 3 passes a few years ago was clearly better. Because, after all, a team winning or losing is what makes you a good QB or not. Context is irrelevant
2024: Bills were 3-2 when Allen had a PR below league average.
2023: Bills were 5-4 in games where his passer rating was below average.
57% winning percentage when Allen had a below average PR over the past 2 seasons.
2024: Dolphins were 1-2
2023: Dolphins were 1-4
Dolphins win 25% of the time.
This also shows how many more games Allen has with below average PR’s than Tua. But because the TEAM wins he gets credit for having a good game.
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Dolphins must be improving, last time I looked at this (was a while ago now) I think they were something like 1-9 in games Tua put up a rating under 92. But hey, he doesn't do anything to carry the team.
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Only in Miami is the "good news" somehow related to the team sucking, LOL.
How long have we been screaming about being a more physical offense? How long have we known that defensive stability is a necessary thing? How often have we seen good defenders waste their careers or good defenders escape?
When the media complains about the culture in Miami....they need to focus on the culture of the front office!
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It’s also because both the GM and head coach can’t evaluate the backup Qb position worth a damn