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Dolphins make list of top 5 worst offseasons

canman1971 said:
I don't know the stat, but wouldn't most teams have better records versus crap teams than good ones? Obviously, the % would vary, but what team is 29-9 versus playoff teams and 4-14 versus non-playoff teams? Kind of a useless stat that needs perspective.
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I agree entirely with your general point.

On the other hand, as you say context matters, our discrepancy would seem extreme compared to "top teams" like KC, Jills, Ravens, etc. I'm not going to do the digging, but do you really think top tier teams are as upside down as the Dolphins in this area? I do not. Comparison to those top teams is the context that matters here, IMO.

Would you not agree?

Having said that, our history is what it is. We haven't shown up well against those teams. Do some ppl beat it to death? Maybe, but the only way to change that is to change the outcomes moving forward. Dismissing the situation with hand waves and excuses is just burying one's head in the sand with a fair and legitimate observation/complaint.
 
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canman1971 said:
I don't know the stat, but wouldn't most teams have better records versus crap teams than good ones? Obviously, the % would vary, but what team is 29-9 versus playoff teams and 4-14 versus non-playoff teams? Kind of a useless stat that needs perspective.
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I see your point, but regardless of what other teams have done, 4-14 is pitiful any way you slice it.
 
Mach2 said:
I agree entirely with your general point.

On the other hand, as you say context matters, our discrepancy would seem extreme compared to "top teams" like KC, Jills, Ravens, etc. I'm not going to do the digging, but do you really think top tier teams are as upside down as the Dolphins in this area? I do not. Comparison to those top teams is the context that matters here, IMO.

Would you not agree?

Having said that, our history is what it is. We haven't shown up well against those teams. Do some ppl beat it to death? Maybe, but the only way to change that is to change the outcomes moving forward. Dismissing the situation with hand waves and excuses is just burying one's head in the sand with a fair and legitimate observation/complaint.
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I think we are saying the same thing to some degree. Like zullo1 said, yes, 4-14 is pitifull, but the difference between that and say, 7-11, is somewhat negligible which I am just guessing, but even the top teams have winning records somewhere at or below .500. And at this point, the Fins should not be compared to the top teams.
 
hoops said:
If you were a general nfl fan and your only exposure was watching us play last year on prime time would you come away with we are a team on the rise?
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If you go back to the beginning of the McDaniel/Tua era including last year and just judged us off prime time games then most would think we are one of the worst teams in the league.
 
hoops said:
If you were a general nfl fan and your only exposure was watching us play last year on prime time would you come away with we are a team on the rise?
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You would think they were one of the laughingstocks of the league.
 
canman1971 said:
I think we are saying the same thing to some degree. Like zullo1 said, yes, 4-14 is pitifull, but the difference between that and say, 7-11, is somewhat negligible which I am just guessing, but even the top teams have winning records somewhere at or below .500. And at this point, the Fins should not be compared to the top teams.
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If anyone has that data on other teams records against playoff teams the last few years it would be cool to look at for sure. I did a quick search, but came up empty.
 
4-14 and you can set your watches to losses in anytbing below like 50 degrees game temps. The latter of which I think is driven largely by the qb and his game. IMO at least.

Makes for a rough end of season hill to climb.
 
GRYPHONK said:
I really liked this past draft.

However, any off season where you CHOOSE to not only resign Eichenberg, but also sign Borom???? Yeah, it's a bottom 5 off season for me lol
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Seems like an odd complaint when the team chose to upgrade both starting OG positions, arguably the biggest weaknesses on the team.

Both players are making about the same money that Jonah Savaiinaea is.

It wouldn’t really make sense to go into the season without backup OL, would it, especially with the health concerns of Jackson and Daniels and the inexperience of Savaiinaea and Paul.

Eichenberg has almost as many snaps in this offense as our entire (projected) starting OL combined. It would make sense that he was brought back to help those guys, given he’s played almost everywhere.
 
The Ghost said:
Seems like an odd complaint when the team chose to upgrade both starting OG positions, arguably the biggest weaknesses on the team.

Both players are making about the same money that Jonah Savaiinaea is.

It wouldn’t really make sense to go into the season without backup OL, would it, especially with the health concerns of Jackson and Daniels and the inexperience of Savaiinaea and Paul.

Eichenberg has almost as many snaps in this offense as our entire (projected) starting OL combined. It would make sense that he was brought back to help those guys, given he’s played almost everywhere.
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I get the Eich signing for the reasons you stated, has multi positional versatility he’s cheap he’s usually reliable in the injury department and he might be the smartest guy on the line. Hes a guy who you can make work as your 7th/8th lineman provided no other starters are out.

It’s the Borom signing that is the head scratcher for me, based off his tape he should not have been on their radar let alone a priority signing like they made him.
 
Finsup1981 said:
Poupart/SI thoughts:

PFF cites issues around the Dolphins’ passing game regression and whether Patrick Paul can anchor left tackle as reasons why the roster is ranked in the NFL’s bottom third.
Let’s look at the Dolphins’ roster and see whether the team really has the NFL’s 24th-best roster.

Where Miami’s Roster Falls Short ​

In PFF’s defense, the Dolphins’ roster does have some pretty obvious holes.
The Dolphins’ long-term outlook at defensive tackle feels pretty good, but there are always growing pains when relying on rookies. We like Kenneth Grant and Jordan Phillips specifically, but them topping Calais Campbell’s play will be hard.


Also, on defense, the team’s safety room doesn’t look great on paper. Ifeatu Melifonwu and Ashtyn Davis likely are upgrades on Jordan Poyer, but that’s hardly a high bar to clear. Jevon Holland struggled last season, but had previously been an above-average player.
Melifonwu is an oft-injured player, and Davis hasn’t been a significant factor on defense during the past couple of seasons. It’s easy to see why that group doesn’t inspire confidence.
Then, there’s the most obvious hole on the team: cornerback. Ironically enough, it seems like PFF is grading the Dolphins with Ramsey taking up a starting spot, even though we know that won’t happen this season.
Regardless, Kader Kohou is the only other player in that room who has played above-average football at any point. That said, he’s been inconsistent while bouncing between outside and the slot.

Other national analysts have made this point already, but a group of Kohou, Storm Duck, Ethan Bonner, Artie Burns and B.J. Adams might be the worst cornerback room in the league. The Dolphins could sign a veteran, but how much would an aging player really change that?
The other area where PFF takes issue is left tackle. They are pretty low on Patrick Paul, who is taking over for Terron Armstead. There’s no doubt that Paul isn’t as good as Armstead, especially in pass protection.
However, Paul has a higher ceiling as a run blocker, and one of the team’s most significant issues down the stretch last season was a failure to generate a capable running game. Paul is a downgrade on Armstead, but we’re a bit higher on his potential than them.
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I cannot agree with Poupart that those are the top 5 corners on the roster at this point, considering 5 will make it.
 
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