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Dolphins pick up 5th year for Pouncey

Guy...stop talking. Your little quotes trying to talk down and patronize every person you debate with is sad. Blind faith? Lmao you don't know a damn thing about me guy, I don't even have Miami making the playoffs this year so so much for that little bit you put out there :up:

You stated that those who run this franchise know more than me because they are part of the team. I asked for the reason why you were confident in those who run this franchise. You made a blanket statement about having faith in your local franchise.

Its not like i didnt ask you to explain your position. The "blind faith" quip seems apt to me, though i guess its faith we will fail? Faith we wont win? Im not exactly sure where your going with all of this. Feel free to elaborate, and feel free to double back and answer why you believe Joe Philbin, Kevin Coyle, our owner, our whatever Dawn Aponte is, and Dennis Hickey are more knowledgeable than everyone else.

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Very good talent, but at a practically useless position. Move him to guard. Decent centers can be found practically anywhere
 
Your opinion is obviously in the minority for a reason. The team officials picked up his option for a reason, they see and talk to the man every single day. Hard to believe you know more than they do, and they made the right decision.

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Think for yourself, dude. Everybody does everything for a reason. Doesn't mean they're right, or smart, or can even tie their shoes. Jesu Christo... :lol:
 
You stated that those who run this franchise know more than me because they are part of the team. I asked for the reason why you were confident in those who run this franchise. You made a blanket statement about having faith in your local franchise.

Its not like i didnt ask you to explain your position. The "blind faith" quip seems apt to me, though i guess its faith we will fail? Faith we wont win? Im not exactly sure where your going with all of this. Feel free to elaborate, and feel free to double back and answer why you believe Joe Philbin, Kevin Coyle, our owner, our whatever Dawn Aponte is, and Dennis Hickey are more knowledgeable than everyone else.

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they are more knowledgeable, no doubt. it doesn't mean they will make the right decision, but they do know more. the fact that they are betting $7 million on a good outcome does make me think they are hearing good things
 
they are more knowledgeable, no doubt. it doesn't mean they will make the right decision, but they do know more. the fact that they are betting $7 million on a good outcome does make me think they are hearing good things

Did Ireland spend less?
 
That is the best gif I have seen on this board thus far!! Amazingly hilarious! Well done.
With no mitigating legal substantiation, and only a questionable preordained "report" the results of which not surprisingly was spearheaded by an individual with academic, demographic, professional and racial commonalities with the supposed aggrieved party's family...if he ends up suspending Pouncey, he damn well better suspend Ray Rice for at least 2X the amount of time.
 
My opinions arent chosen by popularity. If they were, i wouldnt have spent the last 4 years insisting Jeff Ireland be fired. I was in the minority then as well.

Its actually kind of amusing your next point, i was just talking about it concerning another matter not to long ago. Fans assuming something is automatically done correctly simply because its been endorsed by those who run this franchise. To answer the unspoken question: yes, there are those on this forum whose opinion i respect far more than the individuals who run this franchise. Because their stated views have consistently proven to be more accurate over multiple years.

If you dont terribly mind, please answer: what about the last 5 straight non-winning seasons has filled you with confidence about the individuals who run this franchise? Why should we assume something is the right move simply because it has the words "Miami Dolphins" connected to it?

I love it when Spesh is right about something.

Few posters articulate their points so well and blend in humor as a kicker.

And make no mistake, he is dead on in this thread from so many angles......

1 - The drop off from the best center in the league(which Pouncey isnt anyway) to the 15th best center is hardly a major impact on a team's ability to win games.

2 - Therefore not only is it a steep price to pay for a center, but a use of resources in a salary cap scenario that could be used elsewhere.

3 - Compounding that is the fact that center is a position that could easily be replaced with a player at much less cost and/or draft pick.

4 - Pouncey is just plain trouble. Anyone who dosent recognize that fact is in denial. There is a serious risk of him being suspended at some point. If you put so much stock in him you are setting yourself up to be let down.

5 - Finally, it would definitely be wise to sell high. In fact, I wouldve traded him last offseason. There is no way he would be on my roster right now. While his value is greatly overstated on FH, if you could fetch so much as a 3rd rounder for him, the team could use that pick or a lesser one to replace him. In doing so you wouldnt get the same talent(but, of course that wouldnt cripple us) but we would certainly save money against the cap as well as lose the headache of having to deal with Pouncey. On top of all of that, I feel like having him off the roster would actually be a plus for our team in terms of leadership and overall character of the team.

Basically put, this team is better off without Pouncey. There were players available in FA at much cheaper contracts who have proven they can play the position just fine if we wanted to avoid using a mid round pick on a center.

Signing one of those vets along with trading Pouncey wouldve accomplished 3 things............

1. Saved the trouble of having Pouncey on the roster. No worries about what he may do, if he might get suspended, or having bad character on the team.

2. Saved money against the cap that could be used at positions of significance.

3. Most importantly, brought us a decent draft pick that could be used to help this team in other areas.

Those are pretty good bits of value there all for just the drop down of talent from Pouncey to whatever veteran center we wouldve signed. But, what do I know? I dont work for the Miami Dolphins therefore I cant possibly make the correct decision. Whatever they decide is correct, thats why they run the Miami Dolphins.
 
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Did Ireland spend less?

Ireland committed a little over $9 million for 4 years so nowhere near the $7+ million for just the one season.
I don't remember any subpoenas or drug allegations at the time either
 
Ireland committed a little over $9 million for 4 years so nowhere near the $7+ million for just the one season.
I don't remember any subpoenas or drug allegations at the time either

That's interesting. I'm assuming that's mostly Hickey's contact (pretty sure they're still paying Ireland and Gaine), though. It's hard to imagine they're spending three times the amount for this year over previous years in, I dunno, hotels and airfare. If anyone has a breakdown though I'd love to read it.
 
From what I've heard these 5th year options that teams are picking up are too expensive for most players but it doesn't mean a thing since they're not guaranteed for anything but injury. So it's basically nothing but a ploy to gain a bit more time before renegotiating.

Picture something like this:

April 2015:
Team: Will you give us a nice discount?
Player: No
Team: I can hold on to your rights until the day before the season opener and then release you at no cap charge and you'll be wishing you were more reasonable
Player: Uhm... can we talk a bit more about this?
 
From what I've heard these 5th year options that teams are picking up are too expensive for most players but it doesn't mean a thing since they're not guaranteed for anything but injury. So it's basically nothing but a ploy to gain a bit more time before renegotiating.

Picture something like this:

April 2015:
Team: Will you give us a nice discount?
Player: No
Team: I can hold on to your rights until the day before the season opener and then release you at no cap charge and you'll be wishing you were more reasonable
Player: Uhm... can we talk a bit more about this?

Yeah it seems like there isn't much to lose unless the player suffers a catastrophic injury.
 
I love it when Spesh is right about something.

Few posters articulate their points so well and blend in humor as a kicker.

And make no mistake, he is dead on in this thread from so many angles......

1 - The drop off from the best center in the league(which Pouncey isnt anyway) to the 15th best center is hardly a major impact on a team's ability to win games.

2 - Therefore not only is it a steep price to pay for a center, but a use of resources in a salary cap scenario that could be used elsewhere.

3 - Compounding that is the fact that center is a position that could easily be replaced with a player at much less cost and/or draft pick.

4 - Pouncey is just plain trouble. Anyone who dosent recognize that fact is in denial. There is a serious risk of him being suspended at some point. If you put so much stock in him you are setting yourself up to be let down.

5 - Finally, it would definitely be wise to sell high. In fact, I wouldve traded him last offseason. There is no way he would be on my roster right now. While his value is greatly overstated on FH, if you could fetch so much as a 3rd rounder for him, the team could use that pick or a lesser one to replace him. In doing so you wouldnt get the same talent(but, of course that wouldnt cripple us) but we would certainly save money against the cap as well as lose the headache of having to deal with Pouncey. On top of all of that, I feel like having him off the roster would actually be a plus for our team in terms of leadership and overall character of the team.

Basically put, this team is better off without Pouncey. There were players available in FA at much cheaper contracts who have proven they can play the position just fine if we wanted to avoid using a mid round pick on a center.

Signing one of those vets along with trading Pouncey wouldve accomplished 3 things............

1. Saved the trouble of having Pouncey on the roster. No worries about what he may do, if he might get suspended, or having bad character on the team.

2. Saved money against the cap that could be used at positions of significance.

3. Most importantly, brought us a decent draft pick that could be used to help this team in other areas.

Those are pretty good bits of value there all for just the drop down of talent from Pouncey to whatever veteran center we wouldve signed. But, what do I know? I dont work for the Miami Dolphins therefore I cant possibly make the correct decision. Whatever they decide is correct, thats why they run the Miami Dolphins.

Did you just contradict every thing you wrote on how Ireland was such a "Boss" in creating a decent offensive line? What a ****ing joke. Your opinion shifts more than a wind sock at an airport.

Your opinion on how this team should be run has pretty much run its course after that weak thread. It was because Ireland did such a ****ty job in acquiring linemen that could produce effective results in situational football that the offense was as horrible as it was. And now you want to jump on the bandwagon that this staff should get rid of the only decent linemen from last year because he may have partied a little to hard. Ive got news for you, every NFL team has players just like Pouncey on its roster and if you dont belive that you need to pull your head out of...the sand.

Let me clue you in on something that all intelligent football minds realize. If your offensive line isn't worth a **** than neither will your offense. If they dont do their job neither can the playmakers. The QB won't have time to throw the ball, therefore the receivers can't catch the ball and the RB's will have no holes to run through. IT ALL STARTS WITH THE OFFENSIVE LINE. Just ask Manning and Brady how they've faired in the post season when their lines haven't done their job.
 
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