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Dolphins use Read option on 54% of snaps vs Pats, Complete Lazor Offense Breakdown:

Great presentation of the most essential information about our new offense, catch22. Thanks !
 
Good stuff 22. Always enjoy your posts :up:
 
Awsome post man....cant wait to read more as the season goes...this is really REALLY good stuff
 
Sherif said:
Thanks. I didn't see Tannehill under center much. Was he in Shotgun most of the game?
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The answer is basically Yes, 76% of snaps were in the dolphins "read option look" which is basically a shotgun play with a RB standing slightly behind the QB.

Here is that shotgun "read option look" post snap where the Tanne is actually reading the Defender in the pic.
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about 22% of snaps were out of and I-Form formation or a variant of this. pic below (no reading or optioning)
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about 3% of snaps were a shotgun play with no RB in backfeild (4WR 1TE or 5WR) (no reading or optioning)
 
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Awsi is correct. It's not a "read option" per se, because the handoff is predefined. What is actually going on is that Tannehill is staring at the unblocked defender to try and hold him... to prevent his backside pursuit. Normally in a zone blocking concept you cut the backside defender. That creates the backside running lane (if needed). This read option look is literally that, a look... another way of holding that defender in place without having to cut block him.
 
TheWalrus said:
Awsi is correct. It's not a "read option" per se, because the handoff is predefined. What is actually going on is that Tannehill is staring at the unblocked defender to try and hold him... to prevent his backside pursuit. Normally in a zone blocking concept you cut the backside defender. That creates the backside running lane (if needed). This read option look is literally that, a look... another way of holding that defender in place without having to cut block him.
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Based on what you said above
My question to you and awsi would be this:

How can we as fans know for sure that all these "option look plays" (like the photo I posted two posts up) are actually just pre defined runs or passes amd not "real" options

I am not sure that I can agree that all the plays were pre-defined 100% one way or the other. In preseason practices we heard of option plays where tanne pulled off huge QB runs when he saw the coverage or the edge rusher over pursue towards the RB or when he saw a huge hole. Of course during practice no one can hit him so maybe he was just being tentative about keeping the ball himself and running in a game where he saw miller and moreno were getting big gains on every play.

Again I am no expert I just want to know how you guys (you and Awsi) know for sure what's going on.
 
catch22 said:
Based on what you said above
My question to you and awsi would be this:

How can we as fans know for sure that all these "option look plays" (like the photo I posted two posts up) are actually just pre defined runs or passes amd not "real" options

I am not sure that I can agree that all the plays were pre-defined 100% one way or the other. In preseason practices we heard of option plays where tanne pulled off huge QB runs when he saw the coverage or the edge rusher over pursue towards the RB or when he saw a huge hole. Of course during practice no one can hit him so maybe he was just being tentative about keeping the ball himself and running in a game where he saw miller and moreno were getting big gains on every play.

Again I am no expert I just want to know how you guys (you and Awsi) know for sure what's going on.
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That's a good question. The main way that you can tell is that Tannehill (and Foles, and most of the quarterbacks running this kind of play) are not actually taking the time to read the DE. On a true option the quarterback waits longer -- allowing the defender to get closer and commit -- before he makes a decision. On these plays the decision is being made almost instantly. The defender doesn't really have the time to make a decision that -- in a normal option -- preceeds the quarterback's choice.

I think there's also something to be said for the fact -- as Awsi pointed out -- that Tannehill never chose to run on Sunday. If it were a true option, that's not something you would expect.

This is really closer to a play action that helps the run than a true "read option". I'll grant there might be the possibility that Tannehill can keep the ball under certain circumstances but I have seen this kind of run action from the Eagles (and other teams) before and even on plays where it seemed pretty obvious that the quarterback should keep the ball, it gets handed off. But the basic answer is that I don't think it's a true read option because it looks very little like a true read option.
 
DearbornDolfan said:
Oh. My. ****ing. God. Dude, I just addressed that in this post. I explained why you don't do that. ****.
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I scanned the first line and a half of your earlier post and it sounded like someone screeching so I didn't bother to read the rest.

Good decision on my part. :lol:
 
In the preseason - Lazor put the league on notice that Ryan can and will run in our offense - which makes the D have to "worry" and scheme about it - Catch is right that Ryan didn't have to run the ball while everything was clicking as it was VS the Pats
 
rev kev said:
In the preseason - Lazor put the league on notice that Ryan can and will run in our offense - which makes the D have to "worry" and scheme about it - Catch is right that Ryan didn't have to run the ball while everything was clicking as it was VS the Pats
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Indeed. Lost in the fog of the turnovers is the fact that they moved the ball consistently all game, never punting until the 4th quarter. You don't fix what ain't broke.
 
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