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DONT GIVE RONNIR 22M in garuanteed money

Chill out guys, you are acting like you're the only team that has ever had to sign a top 5 pick...

"noooo, we're gonna screw our cap..... signing brown will make us loose all our guys"

Its called rebuilding. What will make you loose all your guys isn't signing a potential franchise back, its all the other ******* signings you've mad over the years that you're still paying for.
 
TarHeelFinFan said:
By screwing our cap figure for the next several years.
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One player isn't going to screw our cap up.
 
as it may already have been stated...

Williams signed at Tampa Bay and got a 15 percent increase over what the fifth pick got last year. Miami is only offering about a 5% increase. I am sure Miami is haggling over at least 10% more with Brown's agent. This is an equity issue in salary within the league and is not supposed to make sense to you and I in terms of "the right to earn that much". I guess if you and I were to be in such a position do we really know what we would do?

Lee2000 :confused:
 
060693 said:
I wont ronnie hear like everyone else, but you do not give rb's that are going to split time with another franchise back 22m in money. Running backs are one play from career ending injuries more than anyother position. I would give him 17M and that is it take it or leave it. WE go into the season with Ricky, and gordon. But 22M is BS. Let the 49'ers be the idiots to give that type of money away.
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Hey, I respect you opinion but like any other sport this is a business, and no offence but try to spell check once in a while before you post I found it a little difficult to read. :lol:
 
byroan said:
We tried. No one had a good enough offer.
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If the team was unwilling to pay the going rate for a #2 pick, any offer should have been a good enough offer. A mid-round first round selection in camp is better than a pick forfeited because the player re-enters the draft the following year.

I don't think Miami has any problem paying the going rate -- this is just about getting the right deal. It is frankly more important than camp is at this point. Ronnie is a RB -- he'll catch on quickly.
 
060693 said:
I wont ronnie hear like everyone else, but you do not give rb's that are going to split time with another franchise back 22m in money. Running backs are one play from career ending injuries more than anyother position. I would give him 17M and that is it take it or leave it. WE go into the season with Ricky, and gordon. But 22M is BS. Let the 49'ers be the idiots to give that type of money away.
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I agree with you I think that is on outrageus amout of money I think hes going a little over the top with this because of the deal alex smith got (and I am gonna laugh my a** of if hes a bust) but anyway all else i have to say is RONNIE take what they give you !
 
KB21 said:
I have never really understood why some people lash out at athletes and professionals simply because they make a lot of money. This is a free market society. The goal is to make as much money as you possibly can. Professional athletes are doing something that less than 1% of the population can do. They sacrafice their bodies in the process, and they bring in millions of dollars for the owners of the team's the play on. Hell yeah they should make a lot of money.

This isn't just with athletes either. This applies to doctors and lawyers as well. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say "That doctor/lawyer makes too much money." You can't make too much money!! When I get through an orthopaedic residency, the plans are already in place for me to walk into the largest orthopaedic practice in the mid south. This practice brings in $8 million a year for the hospital on surgery patients alone. If I bring home $800,000-1,000,000 a year from that practice, I believe it is well worth it.
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It's not all sunshine and roses, either.

Pro football players are lucky to have a 10 year career. In even the best case where the player actually learned something in college, things change quite a bit in most industries in a decade. Add in the expenses the players have (both from the "cost of fame" and from expenses like agents), and that money goes away quicker than most imagine.

You and I (I'm in law school for anybody who hasn't heard) spend years over and beyond the bachelors degree most people have these days. This isn't night school while working, either -- it's borrow huge sums of money *and* take yourself out of the workforce so you can go to school full time. Unless things are very different on your side of the professional world, doctors and lawyer graduate with massive amounts of debt. This is enough to actually preclude public interest (legal aid, public defender, I'm guessing free clinic) work unless there is some sort of debt forgiveness involved. There are also costs of continuing education and references that people don't take into account. I'm not asking for any sympathy for KB, Ronnie Brown, or me (even if I don't have a job waiting on me like KB does). I'm just trying to explain some things it seems most of the public passes up when this topic comes up.
 
I don't buy the "NFL players have short careers" BS...

You know what, I work at a job, I most likly won't be working here in Ten year, and I'm gonna have to get another job...

The argument that they take years off thier lives might work with me, since I'm in an office... but tell long shoremen, or miners, or any other dangerous occupation, and they'll laugh.


The problem is, NFL players don't expect to have to work after thier careers, and bsed on everyone else in the world, its an unrealistic expectation.
 
My biggest problem is that Ronnies salary demand is based on what Alex Smith got. What the heck does Alex Smith's perceived value to the 49ers have to do with Ronnie Brown's perceived value to the Dolphins? Just because the 49ers negotiator is an idiot, the Dolphins (and all other teams) automatically must overpay?
 
Losman7 said:
I don't buy the "NFL players have short careers" BS...

You know what, I work at a job, I most likly won't be working here in Ten year, and I'm gonna have to get another job...

The argument that they take years off thier lives might work with me, since I'm in an office... but tell long shoremen, or miners, or any other dangerous occupation, and they'll laugh.


The problem is, NFL players don't expect to have to work after thier careers, and bsed on everyone else in the world, its an unrealistic expectation.
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NFL players *do* have short careers, and I don't think it's fair to suggest that they don't expect to have to work. Some may expect that, but I think the majority would tell you that they'd go crazy having that much time on their hands not doing anything. Look at the realty business Reggie Howard has started -- it's clear he gets stir crazy even over the break between seasons if he is looking at that. It is also clear he is planning for future work.

Aside from the portion of players who can earn money off of their football fame or knowledge by landing endorsements, work on TV/radio, or in coaching, the remaining players have to find work in something they're good at that has nothing to do with the NFL. There are going to be costs involved in that most of the time because training and/or certification will be necessary.

Like I said, nobody should cry for the poor football players. The money just doesn't stretch like people think it does even when players are completely responsible with the money they get.
 
yankeehillbilly said:
My biggest problem is that Ronnies salary demand is based on what Alex Smith got. What the heck does Alex Smith's perceived value to the 49ers have to do with Ronnie Brown's perceived value to the Dolphins? Just because the 49ers negotiator is an idiot, the Dolphins (and all other teams) automatically must overpay?
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It's not that we automatically have to overpay, it's that France wants to base Ronnie's contract with #2 value which is just slightly lower than #1 value. The 49ers basically screwed us over.
 
Losman7 said:
I can't believe you guys are turning on Ronnie already, and for who....Ricky?

Thats funny as hell, first its "screw Ricky, he sold us out" , then its "Sweet we have Ronnie Brown, best GD running back in the draft" now its "Screw Ronnie for holding out, we have....RICKY!!"

What a bunch of carpetbaggers, what do you expect to pay the number 2 overall pick?
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Nobody is turning on Ricky. We are just making statements. That is alot of money to put on a back that is gonna be sharing snaps. I agree let San Francisco be the idiots and pay all that money Ronnie is definately worth 15million in guaranteed money. But 22 million come on he gets hurt in preseason we have a 22 million dollar paperweight that never played a down. And right now we are trying to build a team. Players should be willing to take slight pay cuts in return for trying to build a superbowl caliber team. I mean what is more important.
 
**** it give him his 3 million more, whats the difference in that for a 5 year contract? 600k... **** it, get him in camp
 
arsenal said:
**** it give him his 3 million more, whats the difference in that for a 5 year contract? 600k... **** it, get him in camp
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What makes you think that him being in camp today instead of next Monday is worth $3 million, much less $100,000? I think they know what sort of time Ronnie is going to need before the season begins and are keeping that in mind. This deal will get done when it needs to get done.

I maintain my conspiracy theory that Nick might not even want Ronnie in camp until after the point he'd merit getting playing time in the HOF game. If Jaguar interest in either Gordon or (dare I say it) Williams is more serious than it appears right now, making sure they get quality work would be vital to getting the deal done.
 
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