DONT GIVE RONNIR 22M in garuanteed money

[Losman7]

Nobody is turning on Ricky. We are just making statements. That is alot of money to put on a back that is gonna be sharing snaps. I agree let San Francisco be the idiots and pay all that money Ronnie is definately worth 15million in guaranteed money. But 22 million come on he gets hurt in preseason we have a 22 million dollar paperweight that never played a down. And right now we are trying to build a team. Players should be willing to take slight pay cuts in return for trying to build a superbowl caliber team. I mean what is more important.

You have quite a ways to go before players are going to take pay cuts, before there rookie season...

Listen, he wouldn't be sharing time if Saban didn't welcome Ricky back..

So FinFans... Would Ronnie be worth 20 Mil if you didn't have Ricky? If so, whos fault is that?

 

[yankeehillbilly]

It's not that we automatically have to overpay, it's that France wants to base Ronnie's contract with #2 value which is just slightly lower than #1 value. The 49ers basically screwed us over.

and the end result? We and the other high picking teams must overpay our players because SF's negotiator is an idiot. Since the attitude in this thread seems to be "well, thats the way it is so we gotta accept it", then the overpayment is, for all practical purposes, automatic.

 

[byroan]

and the end result? We and the other high picking teams must overpay our players because SF's negotiator is an idiot. Since the attitude in this thread seems to be "well, thats the way it is so we gotta accept it", then the overpayment is, for all practical purposes, automatic.

Yeah, basically.

 

[PHAZINPHINZPHAN]

You have quite a ways to go before players are going to take pay cuts, before there rookie season...

Listen, he wouldn't be sharing time if Saban didn't welcome Ricky back..

So FinFans... Would Ronnie be worth 20 Mil if you didn't have Ricky? If so, whos fault is that?

True but the case is we have Ricky. Enough said Ricky is Proven in the NFL and has a rushing title under his belt. Ronnie has unproven hype. I do believe Ronnie is worth big money but sometimes I think they should test these rookies and let them sit out for a few games in the season and see if that changes their minds. Ronnie keeps worrying about those 3 million that is the separating fact from him signing he could be the next phillip rivers seeing alot of benchtime and trying to earn his spot on the roster.

 

[Jimmy James]

and the end result? We and the other high picking teams must overpay our players because SF's negotiator is an idiot. Since the attitude in this thread seems to be "well, thats the way it is so we gotta accept it", then the overpayment is, for all practical purposes, automatic.

It isn't all about SF's negotiator. To the extent that he is alone as an idiot, Miami won't have to pay. To the extent that history plus that contract plus now the contracts signed elsewhere (like Williams and Williams) supports an increase that the "idiot" gave Smith, Miami will have to pay. This team probably isn't going to have to go 20%, but the number is going to go up and is going to fit into the curve that is partially established now by signings and that will be further established by signings that come after Ronnie.

I'd also like to point out that the 20% is unfair to the Niners and Smith -- Manning's contract and Smith's contract are apples and oranges in at least the respect that Smith's signing bonus can be pro-rated over one less year.

 

[Jimmy James]

True but the case is we have Ricky. Enough said Ricky is Proven in the NFL and has a rushing title under his belt. Ronnie has unproven hype. I do believe Ronnie is worth big money but sometimes I think they should test these rookies and let them sit out for a few games in the season and see if that changes their minds. Ronnie keeps worrying about those 3 million that is the separating fact from him signing he could be the next phillip rivers seeing alot of benchtime and trying to earn his spot on the roster.

I'm glad Saban doesn't come to you for advice. Attempting to lowball Ronnie and then attempting sabotage his career would get Miami nowhere and would lead to other players deciding that they wouldn't like to look at the Dolphins when free agency comes. That would pretty much be the mother of bad ideas.

 

[PHAZINPHINZPHAN]

I'm glad Saban doesn't come to you for advice. Attempting to lowball Ronnie and then attempting sabotage his career would get Miami nowhere and would lead to other players deciding that they wouldn't like to look at the Dolphins when free agency comes. That would pretty much be the mother of bad ideas.

Your right. Because 18 or 19 million is lowballing someone. Who the hell is that kind of money lowballing BILL GATES

 

[Jimmy James]

Your right. Because 18 or 19 million is lowballing someone. Who the hell is that kind of money lowballing BILL GATES

I don't care that it's more money than any three of us is ever likely to make -- it *is* lowballing him when you look at history and at the curve established by the guys already signed. I don't think Miami intends to cheat Brown, so I'm not suggesting that they're in the wrong for currently having this bargaining position. It gives them nice room to come up on the number when they need to.

The idea you're suggesting (that Ronnie should sign for whatever Miami offers) doesn't embrace the reality of sports as a business. If you hate that business, you may want to consider not spending your time on pro sports or changing your focus from the business end to something else (like camp). Your wishes aren't going to make the vision you have of how this works become reality.

 

[cnc66]

I'll bet this contract is tough because any incentives would have to figure in Ricky's carrys. I mean you couldn't just say "here take 20.5 and these prformance incentives will give the chance to make 1.5 more" Ricky in the backfield complicates things.

 

[PHAZINPHINZPHAN]

I don't care that it's more money than any three of us is ever likely to make -- it *is* lowballing him when you look at history and at the curve established by the guys already signed. I don't think Miami intends to cheat Brown, so I'm not suggesting that they're in the wrong for currently having this bargaining position. It gives them nice room to come up on the number when they need to.

The idea you're suggesting (that Ronnie should sign for whatever Miami offers) doesn't embrace the reality of sports as a business. If you hate that business, you may want to consider not spending your time on pro sports or changing your focus from the business end to something else (like camp). Your wishes aren't going to make the vision you have of how this works become reality.

True. Just my opinion. I want Ronnie just as much as any other fin fan but not at the expense of not being able to have salary room for other key acquisitions that we still need to make. like QB. You make a very good point appreciate your comments on my remarks.
Lets hope we get him signed

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

I have never really understood why some people lash out at athletes and professionals simply because they make a lot of money. This is a free market society. The goal is to make as much money as you possibly can. Professional athletes are doing something that less than 1% of the population can do. They sacrafice their bodies in the process, and they bring in millions of dollars for the owners of the team's the play on. Hell yeah they should make a lot of money.

This isn't just with athletes either. This applies to doctors and lawyers as well. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say "That doctor/lawyer makes too much money." You can't make too much money!! When I get through an orthopaedic residency, the plans are already in place for me to walk into the largest orthopaedic practice in the mid south. This practice brings in $8 million a year for the hospital on surgery patients alone. If I bring home $800,000-1,000,000 a year from that practice, I believe it is well worth it.

I love paying professional athletes. They are worth every penny. I am just upset that the NFL was dumb enough to create a system that pays rookies so much money. I rather have guys earn the money, not get paid for potential.

 

[jlfin]

The 49ers gave it to a QB.

And he's going to get it. Whether we like it or not.

You can't allow one idiotic organization to set the market.

 

[Jimmy James]

Lets hope we get him signed

Now there is a comment I think we can all agree with. Honestly, I think Nick has the situation under control. He'll be in camp when he needs to be in camp.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

It isn't all about SF's negotiator. To the extent that he is alone as an idiot, Miami won't have to pay. To the extent that history plus that contract plus now the contracts signed elsewhere (like Williams and Williams) supports an increase that the "idiot" gave Smith, Miami will have to pay. This team probably isn't going to have to go 20%, but the number is going to go up and is going to fit into the curve that is partially established now by signings and that will be further established by signings that come after Ronnie.

I'd also like to point out that the 20% is unfair to the Niners and Smith -- Manning's contract and Smith's contract are apples and oranges in at least the respect that Smith's signing bonus can be pro-rated over one less year.

I agree that all teams are guilty of falling into the trap that the agents set for them. The teams take the same attitude that is expressed here, that "thats just the way it is", so they CHOOSE to allow the salary increases to become virtually automatic. SF set this year's standard though, so I choose to single them out as the "leading" idiots. The salary curves that are established are BS. What a player is worth to one team has absolutely nothing to do with what another player is worth to another team, especially when they play different positions. Just because a player is drafted 1 position later than another doesnt necessarily mean that player is only slightly less valuable. He may in fact be the better of the two, but the team that drafted first may have had a need at the other position. Or, there could be a huge dropoff in overall talent from one draft position to another, but the far less talented player still gets only slightly less than the more talented guy. The salary curve is just an invention by the agents to get as much money for their players as possible. That is of course their job, but it still doesnt mean that the way salaries are handled is right.

You are correct in that Manning and Smith's contracts are different. Overall guaranteed money is indeed about 20% higher in Smith's though.

 

[jlfin]

I don't care that it's more money than any three of us is ever likely to make -- it *is* lowballing him when you look at history and at the curve established by the guys already signed. I don't think Miami intends to cheat Brown, so I'm not suggesting that they're in the wrong for currently having this bargaining position. It gives them nice room to come up on the number when they need to.

The idea you're suggesting (that Ronnie should sign for whatever Miami offers) doesn't embrace the reality of sports as a business. If you hate that business, you may want to consider not spending your time on pro sports or changing your focus from the business end to something else (like camp). Your wishes aren't going to make the vision you have of how this works become reality.

15% increase per year is ridiculous and cannot possibly be sustained. It should be a nominal cost of living increase per year. That would be fair.