Eagles interested in Morris

[jguig]

dude, relax, it was a joke...get it? cause we gave up a 2nd for Feeley. see, get it.

Sorry,man. I couldn't tell your tone of voice in the post. There are some people here who were predicting some entirely unrealistic things. I swept you up into that foolishness. My apologies.

 

[McDuffie81]

As for Morris as a fullback, IMO Lorenzo Diamond is more valuable. Morris plays tailback that can play FB in a pinch, Diamond plays TE but is noted as a good H-Back so they are already in similar positions and Diamond is the more valuable player if you ask me.

As for the YPC argument, if you follow football and football statistics you come to realize that yards per carry tell you LESS than half the story. It would take someone who is very "special" to believe that just because a guy got 3.8 ypc on limited carries, that must mean he would have gotten 3.8 ypc on a ton of carries.

You can evaluate running backs at a base level over the LONG TERM by statistics, but in the short term it just does not go very far or tell a very convincing story. It is almost like evaluating a defensive tackle by how many tackles he had.

If Diamond proves hes good over a few more games then KEEP HIM for his versatilty. I happen to love the idea of him making the team and pushing Lee out. I dont think anyone was comparing the two....

Now for the second part....
I do realize that YPC doesnt always tell the whole story. I put up Morris' stats of 132 attempts....thats half a season worth of carries!!! Thats plenty to evaluate his performance and he did an excellent job.

 

[LithoMan]

Eagles | Team May have Interest in Morris
Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:31:55 -0700

Mark Eckel, of the Trenton Times, reports there is some talk the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/29/nfl">Philadelphia Eagles may have some interest in Miami Dolphins RB Sammy Morris. The team is seeking a veteran backup running back with size.

http://www.kffl.com/player/211/nfl

hmmm i wonder what we could get for him

Cool. Get a 6th for him. Philly will have either pick 31 or 32 in the 6th. Just take it, and run for the hills.

 

[McDuffie81]

Cool. Get a 6th for him. Philly will have either pick 31 or 32 in the 6th. Just take it, and run for the hills.

Yea cool man....We'll probably get another Tom Brady.

 

[tastes like chi]

If we get more than a seventh round pick for Morris, I will be ecstatic. People talking about receving a second, third or even fourth round pick are out of touch with relaity, in my humble opinion.

Lets put things into proper perspective:

Going rate for a 2nd round pick: Shaun Alexander & Edgerrin James - Franchise backs. Enough said.

Going rate for a 3rd round pick: Travis Henry - pro bowler, 1000 yard back coming off injury

Going rate for a 4th round pick: Rueben Droughns - Overachiever who still ran for 1240 yards last year

Going rate for a 5th round pick: Lorenzo Neal - All-pro fullback and maybe the best lead blocker in the entire league.

Going rate for a 6th round pick: Karim Abdul Jabbar - Ok, this may not be the "going rate" anymore, but you get the idea. Former 1000 yard back who was much worse than his TD numbers indicated. Never averaged more than 3.6 yards per season.

Going rate for a 7th round pick: Aveion Cason - A journeyman RB that Dallas acquired from Detroit. Career backup.

If I had to catalog Sammy Morris - a journeyman RB with a 3.8 yard lifetime average and a career high of only 523 yards - I would put him as a VERY late sixth round pick, or more reasonably, a seventh round pick at best. Hes more Aveoin Cason than he is Karim (although maybe thats a good thing).

What you fail to realise is that Edge and Alexander also come with huge contract demands so their teams are/were trying to unload them.

I don't think we went to philly trying to unload Morris so he must have value to them. If they want to be cheap then we have a Lamar Gordon for them. if they want a hard working versitale player that can help their team in lots of ways(short yardage, special teams, blocking, catching passes) then PAY UP. A 4th should be good enough. If not then we should keep him around so the young guys can lean from his work habits and character

 

[McDuffie81]

What you fail to realise is that Edge and Alexander also come with huge contract demands so their teams are/were trying to unload them.

I don't think we went to philly trying to unload Morris so he must have value to them. If they want to be cheap then we have a Lamar Gordon for them. if they want a hard working versitale player that can help their team in lots of ways(short yardage, special teams, blocking, catching passes) then PAY UP. A 4th should be good enough. If not then we should keep him around so the young guys can lean from his work habits and character

All of his examples were worthless. A 4th for Ruben Droughns proves our point that Sammy could be worth a 4th lol. Ruben way overachieved behind that line and had terrible fumbling problems. If Lorenzo Neal was had for a 5th then they overpaid for him. Hes old and hes a one dimensional Fb which further proves our point. The last 6th and 7th just confused me and have no idea how they relate.

*waits for Suferosas response*

 

[finresurrection]

I was just lurking on the eagles board and they are all over the "Miami RB to Philly" idea. The posters there seem to be leaning towards wanting Gordon more than Morris but surprisingly, many of them actually said they would take Ricky, and would give a 3rd for him. Seemed like the price according to their posters for Morris was a 6th, for Gordon a 5th. They like Gordons age, size and the fact he is an RB not a FB playing RB.

 

[ch19079]

I was just lurking on the eagles board and they are all over the "Miami RB to Philly" idea. The posters there seem to be leaning towards wanting Gordon more than Morris but surprisingly, many of them actually said they would take Ricky, and would give a 3rd for him. Seemed like the price according to their posters for Morris was a 6th, for Gordon a 5th. They like Gordons age, size and the fact he is an RB not a FB playing RB.

a 3rd rounder for ricky. :eek: i really dont think hes gunna get ANY offeres from teams for a 3rd rounder. atleast not untill he plays on entire season.

 

[McDuffie81]

I was just lurking on the eagles board and they are all over the "Miami RB to Philly" idea. The posters there seem to be leaning towards wanting Gordon more than Morris but surprisingly, many of them actually said they would take Ricky, and would give a 3rd for him. Seemed like the price according to their posters for Morris was a 6th, for Gordon a 5th. They like Gordons age, size and the fact he is an RB not a FB playing RB.

What they dont know is that Morris is a BETTER runner and receiver than Gordan is. Remeber, weve actually seen the two of them run. If I didnt know any better id take Gordans size,speed and age over Morris' too.

 

[Sal Lisitano]

A players worth is based on the desperation of the team that needs him. With that being said, the eagles weren't willing to give the bills a 3rd for Henry even when Westbrook was holding out. However, things change and only the eagles know how Westbrook is doing at camp. Maybe they will give you a 4th or 5th if Westbrook isn't playing that well since he didn't get the contract he wanted. :confused2:

that's because...Reid probably didn't want to overpay...plus the Eagles are pretty cheap.

T. Henry has been a good solid player...I wonder how he will do this season in Tenn?

Go Fins!!!

 

[Dphins4me]

I was just lurking on the eagles board and they are all over the "Miami RB to Philly" idea. The posters there seem to be leaning towards wanting Gordon more than Morris but surprisingly, many of them actually said they would take Ricky, and would give a 3rd for him. Seemed like the price according to their posters for Morris was a 6th, for Gordon a 5th. They like Gordons age, size and the fact he is an RB not a FB playing RB.

Why wouldn't they want RW for a 3rd? Philly is in win now mode, they do not care if it hurts them later, if they get a back like RW and can win a SB with him..

If I were them then I'd be all over a RW for a 3rd. That is why if Miami does move him to a team like Philly, it needs to be conditional.

 

[Dphins4me]

a 3rd rounder for ricky. :eek: i really dont think hes gunna get ANY offeres from teams for a 3rd rounder. atleast not untill he plays on entire season.

A team like Philly would do that deal in a sec.

They are pushing for a SB title, not worrying about 2 years down the road.
RW is good for this year.

 

[Canadi-Phin]

If the Philly fans want to give us a 5th for Gordon I'd jump at that chance. As for Morris, I think a 5th (a pick we used for Zach) would be fine but I'd rather push for a 4th. I know its not Madden so I don't see it happening. I do believe what others have posted. If he is only hear for one year and we have depth at the position lets trade him and get something for him now. I remember alot of postings about Ronnie playing FB with RW, why has that not been brought to attention. We could keep Martin as the backup FB for 4 weeks and then when RW gets back we can cut him. If the FB isn't a prominent position in our scheme then why not get rid of him for some future players or a pick that we can package later to move up in the draft next year.

 

[Dors156]

Dont let him go.Let gordan go.Sammy is awsome

 

[Surferosa]

Again I differ. His trade value might be lower simply because of the number of backs in Miami, but not because of his talent.

No one is saying he is a star, just that he has proven to be a capable NFL runner, maybe not starter. The only thing that might hinder him talent wise is can he stay healthy for 16 games getting 20 carries, which no team would be asking him to do.

However, his versatility is worth the 5th.

We may have to agree to disagree DPHINS, but:

1) I think, at the very least, youll agree with me that Ruben Droughns wouldnt have garnered anything near a fourth round pick had he been buried on the bench in Denver last year. If he was worth a fourth after rushing for 1200+ yards, what would he have been worth before? A sixth? seventh? nothing at all?

2) I think you severely overvalue Morris's talent and worth. Last year wasnt the first time Sammy had an opportunity to be the feature back on an NFL team. Four years ago in Buffalo, he had first crack at the starting job but couldnt get the job done. They gave him more than a fair chance, but he was too slow and inconsistent to carry the load. He was at best a mediocre back. BTW, Travis Henry eventually replaced him in the starting lineup and had two consecutive seasons with 1300+ yards.