Eagles interested in Morris

[McDuffie81]

We may have to agree to disagree DPHINS, but...

2) I think you severely overvalue Morris's talent and worth. Last year wasnt the first time Sammy had an opportunity to be the feature back on an NFL team. Four years ago in Buffalo, he had first crack at the starting job but couldnt get the job done. They gave him more than a fair chance, but he was too slow and inconsistent to carry the load. He was at best a mediocre back. BTW, Travis Henry eventually replaced him in the starting lineup and had two consecutive seasons with 1300+ yards.

I think you undervalue his value. What does it matter what he did 4 yrs ago in Buffalo? Thats a very weak and disapointing argument from you. Where did you read that he was "too slow" to carry the load?

 

[Dphins4me]

1) I think, at the very least, youll agree with me that Ruben Droughns wouldnt have garnered anything near a fourth round pick had he been buried on the bench in Denver last year. If he was worth a fourth after rushing for 1200+ yards, what would he have been worth before? A sixth? seventh? nothing at all?

I'll agree with that, but I think people are onto Denver backs playing elsewhere.

Also he was not traded for a 4th. He was traded for 2 DLman.

2) I think you severely overvalue Morris's talent and worth.

Don't think I am. I'm not saying he is a starter, just a player who can hold down two spots on a roster & has proven he can fill in for a few weeks if a starter goes down. I do not think he can stand up to the punishment of a 16 game season as a starter.

Last year wasnt the first time Sammy had an opportunity to be the feature back on an NFL team. Four years ago in Buffalo, he had first crack at the starting job but couldnt get the job done. They gave him more than a fair chance, but he was too slow and inconsistent to carry the load. He was at best a mediocre back. BTW,

Are you referring to the 2000 season when he carried the ball all of 93 times all year? He had a 4 game span where he hit double digits and twice only got 10 carries. If that was his chance, then it was not much of one.

That is like throwing a kid a saltine & saying. "I fixed them dinner"

Here is his carries for the 2000 season per game. 2,2,3,4,5,8,14,19,10,10,5,11.

He missed a game or two in there.

Now, you were saying about him being given a chance previously?

Travis Henry eventually replaced him in the starting lineup and had two consecutive seasons with 1300+ yards.

Travis Henry is a better back. Yes, I know he was traded for a 3rd, but teams knew Buffalo had a disgruntled player & needed to move him, plus Henry has a rep of being stoooopid.

 

[Wildbill3]

Eagles | Team May have Interest in Morris
Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:31:55 -0700

Mark Eckel, of the Trenton Times, reports there is some talk the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/29/nfl">Philadelphia Eagles may have some interest in Miami Dolphins RB Sammy Morris. The team is seeking a veteran backup running back with size.

http://www.kffl.com/player/211/nfl

hmmm i wonder what we could get for him

sure for a second.:evil:

 

[Surferosa]

Are you referring to the 2000 season when he carried the ball all of 93 times all year? He had a 4 game span where he hit double digits and twice only got 10 carries. If that was his chance, then it was not much of one.

That is like throwing a kid a saltine & saying. "I fixed them dinner"

Here is his carries for the 2000 season per game. 2,2,3,4,5,8,14,19,10,100,5,11.

He missed a game or two in there. Now, you were saying about him being given a chance previously?

In 2000 there were five games where Sammy had double digit carries. He carried the load together with Shawn Bryson (161 carries), and Antowain Smith (101 carries). No one player dominated the ball that year, and all three had ample opportunity to "audition" for the #1 RB job. Point is, he was clearly in the mix for the starting RB job but couldnt get it done. Now maybe youll argue that his body of work over the 2000 season wasnt enough to make a fair assessment of his talent. Fair enough. I respectfully elect to disagree. He had his chances and didnt make the most of them.

 

[McDuffie81]

In 2000 there were five games where Sammy had double digit carries. He carried the load together with Shawn Bryson (161 carries), and Antowain Smith (101 carries). No one player dominated the ball that year, and all three had ample opportunity to "audition" for the #1 RB job. Point is, he was clearly in the mix for the starting RB job but couldnt get it done. Now maybe youll argue that his body of work over the 2000 season wasnt enough to make a fair assessment of his talent. Fair enough. I respectfully elect to disagree. He had his chances and didnt make the most of them.

Why are you judging his value of today from his play in the year 2000?!!? I dont get it, whats it prove? Noone said he needs to start here. No one asked for a history lesson on Sammy Morris.

 

[Surferosa]

I think you undervalue his value. What does it matter what he did 4 yrs ago in Buffalo? Thats a very weak and disapointing argument from you. Where did you read that he was "too slow" to carry the load?

Didnt mean to disappoint you, "dad".

What argument would you like me to give?

1) Hes 28.5 years old, which is generally about 1.5 seasons away from retirement for an NFL running back.
2) His career YPA is 3.8.
3) By year his YPA are 3.6, 3.7, 2.5, 3.7 and 4.0
4) Never carried the ball more than 120 times in any season

Why o why o why would someone trade a 4th-5th round pick for someone with this resume? In the fourth round in this years draft, a team could have drafted Ciatrick Fason or Brandon Jacobs, both very intriguing RB prospects. Who would want a slowish 28 year old tweener at that price?

:shakeno:

 

[Surferosa]

Why are you judging his value of today from his play in the year 2000?!!? I dont get it, whats it prove? Noone said he needs to start here. No one asked for a history lesson on Sammy Morris.

Er, Im responding to the DPHINS post, where he listed Morris' game by game carries in 2000. So, Im not speaking to "noone", Im speaking to DPHINS.
Youre welcome not to participate in the discussion. Thanks.

 

[Dphins4me]

In 2000 there were five games where Sammy had double digit carries. He carried the load together with Shawn Bryson (161 carries), and Antowain Smith (101 carries). No one player dominated the ball that year, and all three had ample opportunity to "audition" for the #1 RB job. Point is, he was clearly in the mix for the starting RB job but couldnt get it done. Now maybe youll argue that his body of work over the 2000 season wasnt enough to make a fair assessment of his talent. Fair enough. I respectfully elect to disagree. He had his chances and didnt make the most of them.

For some reason I get you think I'm arguing that Morris to be a starter. Morris is not a starter. He is a 3rd down back that can fill in as a spot starter & FB & play special teams.

I've already said Morris is not someone who can do it over a season, but for a 3 or 4 game span when a starter is down, he can fill in and get the job done more times than not.

I also think Buffalo knew this and never put the ball in his hands enough to allow him to take the abuse a starting RB takes.

Besides the NFL is full of players who failed on one team & found success on another. Just look at the before meantioned Droughns. Heck, just check out this years HOF class. Young was a total bust in Tampa.

It is also full of players who found success on one team & failed on another.

Point being. Just because of player does or does not fit in with a team, does not mean they lack talent. Its about finding the right situation.

You take a back that has speed but does not run with power & try to run him up the middle & you will find a back that fails. However, put him in a situation where he can use his speed to get outside & you will find a back who looks like a stud.

Its all about how a player is used & not about his talent.

Morris is a talent. Not one that teams will depend on to be the man, but one to take a few carries away & fill in when needed elsewhere.

He is worth a 5th, especially a 5th from a team looking to be drafting at the bottom of the Rd.

 

[Dphins4me]

Didnt mean to disappoint you, "dad".

What argument would you like me to give?

1) Hes 28.5 years old, which is generally about 1.5 seasons away from retirement for an NFL running back.
2) His career YPA is 3.8.
3) By year his YPA are 3.6, 3.7, 2.5, 3.7 and 4.0
4) Never carried the ball more than 120 times in any season

Why o why o why would someone trade a 4th-5th round pick for someone with this resume? In the fourth round in this years draft, a team could have drafted Ciatrick Fason or Brandon Jacobs, both very intriguing RB prospects. Who would want a slowish 28 year old tweener at that price?

One thing. The draft is over & teams are preparing for the season. Its a little different if this were Mar.

Philly took a back in the 3rd. Not sure how he is doing, but if they are looking for a vet, then he must not be showing much.

Also Morris age is not usable here. The 28 year old RB is for backs that carry the ball 250+ for several years. Morris has a lot of life left in his body, since he has not taken the abuse..

Gotta run.

 

[NJFinFury2004]

I for one see no reason to Trade Morris. He is a GOOD ALL AROUND PLAYER. That means special teams and can play 2 positions. Right now to us, he is more valuable than a Travis Henry. I have been saying this guy would be dymamite on the Steelers or the Eagles, its funny how this came about.

He averaged 4 yards a carry last year with a bunch of unorganized bums blocking for him. If he had a real O LINE? He would be as happy as a 'Horny Puppy in a Room Full of Legs!'

I say offer them Gordon who is useless, we might get around the same trade value and keep the better player.

 

[McDuffie81]

Didnt mean to disappoint you, "dad".

What argument would you like me to give?

1) Hes 28.5 years old, which is generally about 1.5 seasons away from retirement for an NFL running back.
2) His career YPA is 3.8.
3) By year his YPA are 3.6, 3.7, 2.5, 3.7 and 4.0
4) Never carried the ball more than 120 times in any season

Why o why o why would someone trade a 4th-5th round pick for someone with this resume? In the fourth round in this years draft, a team could have drafted Ciatrick Fason or Brandon Jacobs, both very intriguing RB prospects. Who would want a slowish 28 year old tweener at that price?

:shakeno:

I guess your still trying to prove that hes not starting material? :confused:

 

[McDuffie81]

Er, Im responding to the DPHINS post, where he listed Morris' game by game carries in 2000. So, Im not speaking to "noone", Im speaking to DPHINS.
Youre welcome not to participate in the discussion. Thanks.

Well he doesnt understand your point either im afraid. Your welcome to make a point that applies. :)

 

[catapano]

I say we ask for T.O.:)

TO sucks:shakeno:

 

[Surferosa]

For some reason I get you think I'm arguing that Morris to be a starter. Morris is not a starter. He is a 3rd down back that can fill in as a spot starter & FB & play special teams.

I've already said Morris is not someone who can do it over a season, but for a 3 or 4 game span when a starter is down, he can fill in and get the job done more times than not.

I also think Buffalo knew this and never put the ball in his hands enough to allow him to take the abuse a starting RB takes.

Besides the NFL is full of players who failed on one team & found success on another. Just look at the before meantioned Droughns. Heck, just check out this years HOF class. Young was a total bust in Tampa.

It is also full of players who found success on one team & failed on another.

Point being. Just because of player does or does not fit in with a team, does not mean they lack talent. Its about finding the right situation.

You take a back that has speed but does not run with power & try to run him up the middle & you will find a back that fails. However, put him in a situation where he can use his speed to get outside & you will find a back who looks like a stud.

Its all about how a player is used & not about his talent.

Morris is a talent. Not one that teams will depend on to be the man, but one to take a few carries away & fill in when needed elsewhere.

He is worth a 5th, especially a 5th from a team looking to be drafting at the bottom of the Rd.

Fair enough DPHINS. I hear what you are saying. Ultimately you and I put different value on how much an "all-around" back is worth. To me, a guy like Sammy, that can 1) play some HB, 2) play some FB, and 3) is ok catching out of the backfield, is nice to have, nothing more. In other words, if you dont have anyone better, hes a nice jack-of-all-trades. However, IMO hes not someone that in my mind that has any real trade value. If Im the Eagles, Id rather hang on to my pick and use it on someone that can develop into a starter somewhere down the line. Having said that he may just be worth more to the Dolphins than he is to other teams.

So anyway, I guess we will agree to disagree. Time will tell what the Eagles are willing to give up (if anything). I promise you this - if we give up a fifth or better, I'll be seeking you out looking to eat some crow. :)

Nice talking with you.

 

[Surferosa]

Well he doesnt understand your point either im afraid. Your welcome to make a point that applies. :)

Not following you McDuffie. :confused: