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Edds is a Patriot

Do you make up your facts as you go along? EDDS is a "coverage" LB: that's all we've heard from the Geniuses for a long time. He's coming off of a torn ACL. The usual recovery period is 18 Months for what EDDS had, and so stupid IRELAND and SPARANO figured "maybe the P/S", the same mistake those 2 boneheads made w/SPEARS, who was an OLB w/speed at 6'5"/239. The only difference is that SPEARS got claimed a little sooner (CLEVELAND vs N.E.). Fools like SPARANO never learn. So, now we'll be seeing EDDS first-hand, fully recovered by the 6th game, more or less...and wearing a PATRIOTS uniform.

If you could point out the made-up facts in my post, it would be a great help. I can't find any, but you seem to have an eye for this sort of thing... Benefit of experience?
 
This comes down to a roster spot. Is Edds worth a roster spot? In Miami I sort of understand that. Its not easy to keep a roster spot for potential that clearly won't help you for at least a year. I'm curious who the Pats will cut. It will either be some other potential they are abandoning or much needed depth. That will help illustrate the cost and value of a roster spot.
 
Edds had a grand total of 0 tackles as a Miami Dolphin.

Get over it. No soup for you ... NEXT
 
Roflmao 11 pages for a guy that hasn't done jack **** in this league! Now I know I was blasted several times that the return of Edds was a upgrade for our defense, but 11 pages. That is to funny! Here let me call it Edds has a pick 6 Monday and this site crashes!
 
Is anyone really that torn up about Rob Ninkovich not being here? Really? Edds might have been a decent back up, but he was no where near the player some people here want me to believe. Channing Crowder makes tackles 5 yards downfield and he is hated. This guy does it and it's called upside. It's not a big loss. He may become a solid player for the Pats, but we didn't cut Pat Willis.


I do agree he should have stayed over Spitler though.
 
Is anyone really that torn up about Rob Ninkovich not being here? Really? Edds might have been a decent back up, but he was no where near the player some people here want me to believe. Channing Crowder makes tackles 5 yards downfield and he is hated. This guy does it and it's called upside. It's not a big loss. He may become a solid player for the Pats, but we didn't cut Pat Willis.


I do agree he should have stayed over Spitler though.

Channing Crowder wasn't really making his tackles five yards down the field. Say what you want about his range, but the guy made stops.
 
Channing Crowder wasn't really making his tackles five yards down the field. Say what you want about his range, but the guy made stops.

That may have been the reality, but the perception amongst a lot of people here was his tackles were mostly downfield.
 
Meantime, Jerod Mayo is 26th on the list of Pro Football Focus' ILB/MLB rankings vs. the run, and he's the prime run-stopper on a team with below-average YPC against it despite the fact he's playing in probably the best situation for any run stuffer to excel in a 2-gap defense with Vince Wilfork in front of him. Not to mention the guy gave up more yards in coverage than any linebacker in the league besides the prestigious Paris Lenon.

The fact that you rely on PFF to tell you that Mayo isn't a good LB takes any credibility you hoped to have away from you. First, and foremost, PFF is a hack site. They have no access to the ALL-22 films and they are GUESSING as to who is supposed to be doing what. Not only that, they penalize a guy like Mayo who makes a tackle outside of his assignment. If Mayo's assignment is the A&B gaps on the left side of the O-line, but he breaks off and makes the tackle on the right side, he's penalized because the other ILBer didn't do his job. Yet, PFF doesn't take that into account. That being said, the Pats D-line was in shambles last year. They lost Ty Warren to start the season. Mike Wright missed 6 games games and a good portion of a 7th.. Myron Pryor was out for 6 games and part of an 7th. Gerard Warren had to play the last 4 games injured. Ron Brace was lost for the last 3 games of the season. They had to make do with the likes of Terdell Sands, Landon Cohen and Brandon Deaderick. As well as rookie Kyle Love. So, I would expect Mayo to be making a lot of plays "down field".

Also, it's clear that you don't really understand the 3-4 2 gap system. Wilfork does not line up right in front of Mayo. Wilfork lines up on the C, covering the A gaps. The RDE is in charge of the B & C gaps on the Right side. Mayo lines up on the guard, essentially, so he can cover the A & B gaps on his side of the field.

You also seem to be severely over-looking the fact that the Pats had an extremely young defense last year. And 5 brand new starters to start the year.

As for them having allowed 24 points or more 8 times last season and a 9th in the post season, this is true. They did. But despite everything, the Pats still finished leading the league in turnovers. They also ended the year averaging 19.6 points allowed. Good for the 8th best defense in the league. They also finished 14-3 (including the play-offs).

Like any fan, I think that this year's team looks better. The additions of Haynesworth, Carter, and Ellis to the D-line, with the return of Leigh Bodden at starting corner should help solidify this defense. My only concern is at safety opposite Chung.

What I see in Edds is that he's a young, smart guy whom I wanted the Pats to draft last year. He's was a very good cover guy prior to his injury. Advances in the field of ACLs has allowed people to return to what they do at 100% or better. Even with a meniscus injury. I can speak from personal experience on this. He's a guy that I think could end up replacing Guyton on the Pats. Why? Because what Edds lacks in speed he makes up for with instincts. For the time being, he'll be inactive or he'll only be on special teams if the Pats activate him. It will be interesting to see what happens..
 
What the paranoia?
Just because he is becoming a patriot does not mean that he is some super star in disguise.
 
Hate to keep disagreeing with you brother, but he was very mobile before the injury. He was already projected as being a coverage specialist for us. Picking up seam busting TE's and RB's. He's not Dansby or Burnett agile, but he was very agile for an ILB

Just an aside:
Based on the 2 metrics that are generally used to determine agility (20 shuttle and 3 cone) here is how they rate based on their Pro Day numbers...

Dansby:
20 yard Shuttle: 4.46
3 cone: 7.48

Edds:
20 yard Shuttle: 4.28
3 cone: 7.19

That being said, Dansby is a great ILB and I wanted the Pats to sign him, but alas..
 
The fact that you rely on PFF to tell you that Mayo isn't a good LB takes any credibility you hoped to have away from you. First, and foremost, PFF is a hack site. They have no access to the ALL-22 films and they are GUESSING as to who is supposed to be doing what. Not only that, they penalize a guy like Mayo who makes a tackle outside of his assignment. If Mayo's assignment is the A&B gaps on the left side of the O-line, but he breaks off and makes the tackle on the right side, he's penalized because the other ILBer didn't do his job. Yet, PFF doesn't take that into account. That being said, the Pats D-line was in shambles last year. They lost Ty Warren to start the season. Mike Wright missed 6 games games and a good portion of a 7th.. Myron Pryor was out for 6 games and part of an 7th. Gerard Warren had to play the last 4 games injured. Ron Brace was lost for the last 3 games of the season. They had to make do with the likes of Terdell Sands, Landon Cohen and Brandon Deaderick. As well as rookie Kyle Love. So, I would expect Mayo to be making a lot of plays "down field".

Well first of all, I'm using PFF as just a quick and easy quantifier, so slow your roll.

Secondly, you're mystifying things incredibly if you think that you can't with a pretty strong degree of accuracy grade what assignments are if they are visible on camera. It's not rocket science. Anyone with solid background knowledge can figure out virtually every assignment on every position on a play with the exception of coverage due to camera angle, and even if you can't tell the entire overarching coverage scheme you can figure out what was supposed to happen where the ball went.

As for grading a linebacker, I don't know how you could possibly believe that they would negatively grade a player for making a play long outside of his jurisdiction outside of an incredibly obtuse reading of their grading explanation. How would a linebacker ever get a positive grade against a one-cut style blocking scheme? If a linebacker makes a tackle outside of his immediate area, he is not going to be penalized just because it was not a "stop" because of someone else's failure. If someone else fails, and he himself gets tied up in trash or takes a bad angle, then he's going to get a bad grade in addition to it.

Also, you're acting as if a linebacker with two-gap responsibility is in the run game going to be exclusively responsible for what happens in those two gaps, which is ridiculous. If Jerod Mayo is sitting heads up on the strong-side guard with a 2-gap responsibility, he's still got responsibilities for a run outside of his area. Nor are they particularly hard to figure out.

Also, it's clear that you don't really understand the 3-4 2 gap system. Wilfork does not line up right in front of Mayo. Wilfork lines up on the C, covering the A gaps. The RDE is in charge of the B & C gaps on the Right side. Mayo lines up on the guard, essentially, so he can cover the A & B gaps on his side of the field.

Is it really, or you being incredibly literal again? The quick and easy is that Jerod Mayo is protected by Vince Wilfork, whose job on a very big portion of run plays is to prevent Mayo from dealing with blockers, in a way most other linebackers are not granted. Vince Wilfork will frequently prevent Mayo from dealing with an uncovered guard, because he will draw the double team in front of him.

You also seem to be severely over-looking the fact that the Pats had an extremely young defense last year. And 5 brand new starters to start the year.

And a lot of places, just plain not very good.
 
Just an aside:
Based on the 2 metrics that are generally used to determine agility (20 shuttle and 3 cone) here is how they rate based on their Pro Day numbers...

Dansby:
20 yard Shuttle: 4.46
3 cone: 7.48

Edds:
20 yard Shuttle: 4.28
3 cone: 7.19

That being said, Dansby is a great ILB and I wanted the Pats to sign him, but alas..


Well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlBr2fyqn9g

Guess what, Ted Ginn blasted ALL sorts of numbers...and he still SUCKED.
Watching the two of the, extensively, I stick to the fact he's not as agile as Dansby....not when he was at Iowa, and definitely not after blowing out is ACL....not even close. :up:
 
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