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ESPN Article: Ranking 32 NFL QBs by Tier (Need ESPN Insider Help)

23 sounds right. Those last 2 weeks of 2013, I would rank him even lower. The guy got us 7 points in the 2 most important games of the season.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Correction: Seattle has 28 wins and a SB. I'm not sure why people don't get the significance of that distinction (sometimes). Dolphin fans have no problem ranking Dan Marino over Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman. Why is that perfectly fine but any qualification of "Wilson's" record is deemed absurd? IT IS THE SAME DISTINCTION. It is an acknowledgement that football is a team game. Each individual on the team is not necessarily the best or near the best at their position.
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28-9 record
100+ passer rating, third overall since entering the league
top 10 in TDs every season as a pro
Super Bowl victory with a 123 passer rating
58-20 TD-INT ratio
4-1 playoff record
17-1 homefield record

You could make an argument he belongs in tier one using any of those points individually, put them all together and tier 3 is absurd.

And Marino definitely deserved tier 1 along with the other guys just based on all of his passing records alone.
 
Omar had to join in.:err:

I've become convinced Miami Dolphins fans have battered wife syndrome when it comes to quarterback talk.

Anytime anyone objectively discusses a Dolphins quarterback since Dan Marino South Florida fans become ultra sensitive. Their panties get in a bunch because they feel like their franchise's SUPPOSED savior is under attack.

South Florida fans have seen so much failure and mediocrity from that position - with Chad Pennington being the lone exception since Marino - they can't handle discussing Miami's quarterbacks.

So when a group of NFL insiders privately ranked the league's starting quarterbacks for ESPN and placed Tannehill in tier three, as quarterback No. 23 in the NFL heading into the 2014 season, there was local outrage.

How dare Tannehill be considered by league coaches, GMs, executives and scouts the NFL's 23rd best quarterback?

Nevermind Tannehill was actually statistically rated the NFL's 24th best quarterback last season based on his production in year two as an NFL starter.
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...nehills-espn-ranking-20140703,0,3758431.story
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Correction: Seattle has 28 wins and a SB. I'm not sure why people don't get the significance of that distinction (sometimes). Dolphin fans have no problem ranking Dan Marino over Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman. Why is that perfectly fine but any qualification of "Wilson's" record is deemed absurd? IT IS THE SAME DISTINCTION. It is an acknowledgement that football is a team game. Each individual on the team is not necessarily the best or near the best at their position.
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Wilson in Miami you make the playoffs last year, Ryan in Seattle they make the playoffs but don't get to and win a SB.
 
WVDolphan said:
I dont think they rushed only 4 as much as you perceive.

Besides, I wasnt commenting so much on how many rushers the opposing defense was sending and I dont believe that DC who was quoted in the article was either. What I noticed was that defenses started to basically ignore the deep patterns and were therefore able to crunch down on the intermediate stuff.

Not being concerned about the deep ball( a.k.a being beaten by Tannehill's arm) allowed defenses to focus on our rushing attack and really cloud the short and intermediate areas of the field. The 10-15 yard outs are Tannehill's strength and DC's took note of this. There was a reason that Wallace was able to get open deep so often and it wasnt just because he has elite speed. Teams had no fear of Tannehill connecting on that throw enough to beat them. It was no different than when a basketball team lacks perimeter shooting ability. They will let guys take that shot all day if they want it while being able to pack it in down low.
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ha ha "teams let wallace get open deep"

:bobdole:
 
nyjunc said:
Wilson in Miami you make the playoffs last year, Ryan in Seattle they make the playoffs but don't get to and win a SB.
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:lol: You are grasping and hoping so much Ryan is not the real deal. LOL
 
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Maybe your opinions would resonate as more objective if and when you finally acknowledge that going back to BC, a post season "win or go home" record of 1-4, with a total of 24 points scored in the second half, including several shutouts (despite being loaded in Atlanta) there should be a mandatory "Melty" in that nickname when the season's on the line. Oh and 4-12 with a better OL than Miami's last season? You do realize that Tannehill won twice the amount of games. But despite the facts, you have labeled him "a winner." How is that not subjective?

If the above chokeability and seasonal underperformance had been anyone else buy Ryan, you'd have already had them tarred, feathered and shipped out of town.

WVDolphan said:
Yea, but its easier for them to all run around saying "like a boss LIKE A BOSS LIKE A BOSS". Its easy because its one of the few times they can bring up of me being off the mark. Reality is I have missed plenty more times than that. But, reality also is that a large part of the reason Ireland failed was because of Tannehill.

What you wont see though is them bringing up all the times I have absolutely nailed things that most failed to see. You wont see them bringing up the many times I was way ahead of the curve. But, thats OK. Watch Tannehill be one of those times. A year or two from now they will all be bashing Tannehill and just sweep this under the rug while they scream LIKE A BOSS.

Look, when I feel like the Phins are finally on the right track, I will make more positive posts about the outlook of the team. As, Dlockz pointed out, there was a time when I was screaming about Tannehill being a top 10 QB. I was wrong. Its odd because when he had that stretch of games that impressed me in his rookie season and I got overly optimistic, few went along with me. A year and a half later and Tannehill has done NOTHING to warrant such optimism about his ability to be our long term savior but, it seems like most of the board feels they way I did about him when he played a handful of good games in a row during that rookie season. He has basically been mediocre at best since then. I dont get it.
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hooshoops said:
i saw it...they ranked him 23rd...one pro personnel director put him in tier 2 ie top 15 a dc said they didn't fear him but he needs to be protected better

one pro personnel director said he expects him to jump up into tier 2 under the new offense and tempo

the 32nd ranked qb geno smith
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Thanks for the info. Not that I'm a fan of ESPN or these ranking things, but I'd say that's all pretty accurate about Tannehill, with a big fat "Who cares?" for Geno Smith.:D I even think the reason for him being able to jump will be the new offense. I think if they can create mismatches and space and minimize his decisions and reads during the play and make it more about getting the ball out quickly to a receiver or another option (running back out of the backfield as a safety valve for example), we would be making the most of his chances to succeed. He's no Aaron Rogers but maybe he can win in the right offense. That's what I think about it all anyway.
 
i actually liked this article, especially how they organized the QBs into tiers. I may have taken it a step further with some additional tiers beyond only 4 to create further segmentation.

i personally would arrange it something like this (names listed in the tiers are in no particular order):

Tier 1:
Brady, P. Manning, Rodgers

Tier 2:
Brees, Wilson

Tier 3:
Luck, Newton, Kaepernick

Tier 5:
Roethlisberger, E. Manning, Flacco

Tier 4:
Rivers, Stafford, Ryan, Romo, Cutler

Tier 6:
Foles, A. Smith, Dalton

Tier 7:
Tannehill, Griffin III

Tier 8:
Bradford, Palmer, Schaub

Tier 9:
Locker, Manuel, G. Smith

Tier 10:
McCown, Cassel, Henne, Hoyer, Fitzpatrick

My biases would be leaning more towards playoff success and youth. If Bortels, Manziel and / or Bridgewater win starting jobs, I would put them in Tier 9 trending up. If Vick wins, I would put him in Tier 7.
 
tay0365 said:
:lol: You are grasping and hoping so much Ryan is not the real deal. LOL
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Obviously I don't want Ryan to be good but he wasn't good last year and you guys just use a million excuses why. Miami should have been a playoff team last year, there were a number of reasons why and at the top of the list was QB play.

he has ability, he should be better this year. if he's good you have playoff caliber talent around him and you should make it. we'll see.

WVDolphan said:
Omar nailed it this time.
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he sure did.
 
mnphinfan said:
... when it came to the way opposing D's played the Fins last year. They knew they could easily get pressure on Tannehill while only rushing 4 players so he constantly saw coverage consisting of 7 people.
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Good point mnphinfan.

I realize this reply was not aimed at me, but I found this part very interesting.

As an inexperienced rookie Tannehill rightly saw a lot of blitzes. He took his lumps early, but much to people's surprise he fared very well against the blitz. Quick read, quick recognition, and unflappable accurate delivery.

Then they realized we had no real rushing attack or deep threat so they stopped blitzing and played heavy coverage. Our WR's struggled to create separation and abjectly failed to keep safeties deep because we had no deep threat.

In comes Wallace and Gibson and suddenly we have a deep threat and a reliable underneath receiver and we start winning. Bam, down goes Gibson, we still have no run blocking, we stop scoring nd stop winning.

This year we change scheme, free up RB's in the flat on flares and screens. We throw to out TE's, and don't signal run/pass before the snap. We add Landry for another reliable underneath receiver and keep the defense on their toes with motion and a high tempo.

Tannehill has really adapted and improved. I really think this is the year he makes the jump to a clear tier 2 guy. But, I'm still not convinced with our OL. OT's that can't run block, young iffy OG's and a good C sitting out injured for who knows how long.

Tannehill's career has really been in very clear chunks. Once he learns how to deal with a situation or his personnel changes, he starts to see distinctly different style of defense. To me, this looks like defenses need to keep ahead of his learning curve because they haven't found anything that is really effective against him, only things where his lack of experience can be exploited.
 
Tannehill was blitzed more often than league average.

Average: 31%
Geno Smith: 43%
Russell Wilson: 39%
Andy Dalton: 34%
Ryan Tannehill: 32%
Andrew Luck: 30%
Tom Brady: 30%
Drew Brees: 25%
 
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