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[FinfanInBuffalo]

I enjoy that Russell Wilson is rated low. The happy adjuster mindset needs a prominent role. I cashed three tickets on Seattle in last year's playoffs. If Wilson were evaluated correctly, those power ratings and therefore odds would have been several points higher and the results would change. I've thinking of the Saints game specifically. That opened at -7.5 and Seattle won by 8.

It is hilarious that you use the Saints game as an example. Wilson SUCKED in that game. That game is the perfect example of why Wilson won the SB and why he has such a good record. He has certainly played better than he did in the Saint's game, but the fact remains that his running game and defense carried him in that game. He was just awful. The Dolphins do not win that game if Tannehill plays the way Wilson did and that is precisely the point.

Here is the opening paragraph of the NFL.com game recap:

Marshawn Lynch ran for 140 yards and two touchdowns, Steven Hauschka kicked three field goals in blustery conditions and Seattle's defense flustered Drew Brees and New Orleans in a 23-15 victory Saturday in the NFC divisional playoff game.

Quick, who was Seattle's QB in that game? It didn't matter.....

If you are going to post on a football site and not a betting site, you should actually watch the games and comment on the play of the players.

 

[russianbear]

I think the reason Wilson was ranked so low by the personnel within the league echoes the opinions voiced on this site. They see Seattle as a team as more of an overall threat than Wilson specifically...it's not a knock against Wilson, and I think he will continue to get better.

 

[truedolfan57]

why does he have to carry a team? he has been an incredible success in his role and Ryan has not been in his. They are both still young so things can change but Ryan wasn't asked to do much as a rookie and failed, was asked to do more as a 2nd year player and failed.

Ryan had issues around him both years, it's not all on him but he had a great chance to get a team to the playoffs last year and failed. use all the OL excuses you want but if the QB play was marginally better they easily make it. Wilson stepped up when he had to, Ryan did not.

Use all the QB excuses you want but if the OL play was marginally better they easily make it...

 

[nyjunc]

It is hilarious that you use the Saints game as an example. Wilson SUCKED in that game. That game is the perfect example of why Wilson won the SB and why he has such a good record. He has certainly played better than he did in the Saint's game, but the fact remains that his running game and defense carried him in that game. He was just awful. The Dolphins do not win that game if Tannehill plays the way Wilson did and that is precisely the point.

Here is the opening paragraph of the NFL.com game recap:



Quick, who was Seattle's QB in that game? It didn't matter.....

If you are going to post on a football site and not a betting site, you should actually watch the games and comment on the play of the players.

It did matter, notice the # in the TO column for Seattle? that is HUGE and overlooked. Lynch had a good game, does that mean Russell didn't do anything? some games teammates need to pick up the QB like your D did most of the year for Ryan top keep Miami in playoff contention. In the SB Lynch did nothing and Wilson was outstanding, that is what great teams do. they pick up teammates, unfortunately Ryan wasn't able to pick up his teammates often enough b/c he's not a Russell Wilson type- at least not yet.

Use all the QB excuses you want but if the OL play was marginally better they easily make it...

The OL played well the 2nd half of the year, they were 4-4 the 2nd half as they were the 1st half w/ poor OL play. The difference was at QB, a QB like Wilson and Miami easily makes the playoffs.

 

[truedolfan57]

the oline did not play well the 2nd half of the season. playing better does not mean they played well. they had 1 or 2 good games. That's it. Yeah, a QB like Wilson, who is surrounded by a team who can win without him. As evidence by a few games where Wilson was terrible, and they still won.

 

[nyjunc]

the oline did not play well the 2nd half of the season. playing better does not mean they played well. they had 1 or 2 good games. That's it. Yeah, a QB like Wilson, who is surrounded by a team who can win without him. As evidence by a few games where Wilson was terrible, and they still won.

actually they did outside of maybe the Buf game. how was Seattle winning before Wilson became the starter? I must have missed all the SBs and div titles w/ Pete and co.

Terrible #s doesn't always equal terrible just like good #s don't always equal good(see Ryan Tannehill 2013).

 

[Fins1971]

Have to agree with Junc on this one. With Wilson at QB the Fins make the playoffs last year.

Too many NFL fans have become taken with a fantasy football outlook. If he doesn't have 4 TD's he can't be that good.

Russel Wilson made plays when it counted and that is the only thing that really matters for a QB besides not turning it over.

I like how FinfaninBuffalo cherry picked the only poor playoff game that Russel Wilson played in 2 years.

That game against New Orleans was an anomaly and not the norm.

If you look at his other 4 playoff games he has 3 games with passer rating over 100 and another with 92.

He has ran over 260 plays in those 5 playoffs games and only turned it over twice. That is what wins football games along with good defense.

There is a reason that Russel Wilson was picked as the 20th best player in the league by his peers.

 

[truedolfan57]

actually they did outside of maybe the Buf game. how was Seattle winning before Wilson became the starter? I must have missed all the SBs and div titles w/ Pete and co.

Terrible #s doesn't always equal terrible just like good #s don't always equal good(see Ryan Tannehill 2013).

the whole year, the OL was ranked 30th in pass blocking. So I think the oline was a little worse than just the Buf game, in the second half of the season.

and I don't know why you have to always go to extremes. I never said Wilson played no part in seattles success. of course he did. he's obviously better that Tarvaris Jackson, and Hasselbeck was on his last leg. doesn't mean Wilson isn't surrounded by enough talent, and a team good enough in the run game and defense, to win games with a poorly performing QB.

 

[nyjunc]

the whole year, the OL was ranked 30th in pass blocking. So I think the oline was a little worse than just the Buf game, in the second half of the season.

and I don't know why you have to always go to extremes. I never said Wilson played no part in seattles success. of course he did. he's obviously better that Tarvaris Jackson, and Hasselbeck was on his last leg. doesn't mean Wilson isn't surrounded by enough talent, and a team good enough in the run game and defense, to win games with a poorly performing QB.

30th according to who? I don't buy OL stats anyway but some had them near the bottom, some mid of the pack. the OL wasn't good but it wasn't the worst ever like you guys try to use as an excuse.

 

[truedolfan57]

30th according to who? I don't buy OL stats anyway but some had them near the bottom, some mid of the pack. the OL wasn't good but it wasn't the worst ever like you guys try to use as an excuse.

might have been off on 30th. Either way, they were bad enough to allow the most sacks in the nfl last year. no matter what half of the season they allowed those sacks, they sucked.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I like how FinfaninBuffalo cherry picked the only poor playoff game that Russel Wilson played in 2 years.

1. I didn't cherry pick the game. I responded to a post that pointed out that game.

2. It may have been his only poor playoff game, but it was not his only poor game. He has as many stinkers as Tannehill. They just don't all result in losses.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I like how FinfaninBuffalo cherry picked the only poor playoff game that Russel Wilson played in 2 years.

That game against New Orleans was an anomaly and not the norm.

From a current NFL.com article:

Like an early-career Roethlisberger, Wilson is bolstered by his defense and running game. The Super Bowl victory came just two weeks after questions swirled around a Seahawks' aerial attack that had been ailing since early December. Wilson deserves credit, though, for overcoming a porous offensive line and shaky play from his wide receivers. ...

I watched several of his late season and playoff games. In every one of those games, a big part of the pre-game and in-game discussion was the drop off in play of Russell Wilson.

He is a fine young QB. He may be a HOF player some day, but right now, he is vastly overrated due to the team that he plays on.

 

[nyjunc]

like an early career Roethlisberger Pitt wasn't winning anything until Ben got there just like Seattle and Wilson.

 

[hoops]

whoever the front office exec was that said kaepernick would be tier one down the road should be fired on the spot...

russell wilson played a flawless pretty much postseason game 2 years ago vs the falcons...completely outplayed matt ryan...

those execs for the most part recognize andy daltons low ceiling and they recognize wilson gets a ton of help from the team around him...more of them should realize that about kaep also but there's plenty of people working in the league that shouldn't be

 

[Fins1971]

He has as many stinkers as Tannehill. They just don't all result in losses.

Then why does Wilson have 52 TD passes with only 19 Ints and a lifetime QBR of over 100?

Tannehill has 36 Td passes and 30 Ints.

You are just making up stuff now.