Fanduel's view of Miami as a trade destination IF Deshaun Watson wants out of Houston

[opticblazed]

I like Tua, but I'd trade him and #3 back to Houston for Watson in a heartbeat.

Gonna cost way more than that. Thats basically #3 and a 4th rounder. Its going to take multiple firsts

 

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

We're finally building a team the right way and people want to demolish it for Watson? Is this still 20202?

Demolish it?

Watson is 10X the QB Tua is.

With a full assortment of weapons returning and at least two 2nd rounders...I'd rather see Watson throwing to Amon St. Ra than I would Tua to Devonte Smith.

 

[Kev7]

I hate I say it. But I don’t know how the Jets organization aren’t HEAVY players in a possible Watson market. They have the ante that no one else has as compensation for a trade.

But you’d like to think Watson would try to direct where he gets traded to and if so, would like to go to a team that’s a least threatening for playoffs and beyond.

Who says they aren’t?

 

[Kev7]

I would venture to say any of the teams with the top 3 picks in this draft have the best shot for Watson.

1. Jags- but they aren’t trading Lawrence for Watson.
2. Jets- Darnold and #2 would make for an enticing package. More would need to be included of course.
3. Phins- #3 and Tua to start. I think we hold all the cards if we’re aggressive enough with #18 as well

 

[DZimmer000]

Zimm, you are the man. Finally, a well presented argument. I agree with you on most of what you said.

I was not saying DW wasn't great...he was great. He threw for 4800 yards, 33 TD and 7 INT. That would be a top-three season in our franchise history. Houston was historically bad on defense. Man, they were bad.

I agree with you to a point on the weapons and yes, at times, he showed a pulse. My major problem with him is that when we talk about not having weapons, those were the same weapons that Fitz did just fine with. Being a rookie is one thing but not being able to show any ability to push the ball is another. If him getting pulled once and the offense moving happened, I would agree that it's no big deal. However, the offense was doing well prior to Tua taking over and both times Fitz came in it was like a new team. That's not an accident or a rookie thing. Parker is a very nice weapon and Gesicki is a very above average tight end. He has shown time and again that when you throw him the ball, he will make you look very good. The rookie argument only goes so far these days. Herbert/Burrow before his injury were doing just fine. Talent and scheme make a difference but there is something missing. I hope a year of camp and offseason does him well and I'm proven to be so wrong here. I have stated this from the beginning. I hope he succeeds.

I want to preface this by saying this is just me, but I just have always not been able to stand when a guy gets pulled how he can just be so happy on the sidelines. To me, it's like a sigh of relief that he's no longer in the game. He did this in college and he continues to do it. I get it, he's happy for his teammate. Yeah, he knows his job is coming back to him but there's just no sense of being upset in him. Maybe it's a cultural thing? I just cannot stand it.

I do understand your apprehension for not wanting to trade our ammo away as well. That is a well thought our argument as well. It could work out in our favor. I guess my argument is this opportunity does not come around every day and nobody lets these guys go to free agency anymore. IF you have an opportunity to get one, I would grab it.

Thanks Sox..... Same back at you.

You make a great point about Cheerleading Tua. I’m not a fan of that either. If I get pulled, I’m going to be angry as hell.

Yes, the offense ran better with Fitz after Tua got yanked. But I attribute that to 17 years of experience vs 9 games. The main things about Tua that have me excited are his accuracy and that he doesn’t let the game get too big for him. That and he beat Belichick’s D pretty handily. As you know, Belichick normally has rookies for lunch (Herbert).

Here’s the funny part about this off-season so far..... I’m not even that big of a Tua fan. And yet I’m here defending like he’s my cousin or something. I’ve said that right now he’s not good. All the deficiencies you listed are evident and valid. The reason for defending him is that we don’t know what we have....Yet. I just want to wait....Load up the team and see what he has.

In 1 year.... I might be right there with you. And yes.....We will have blown an opportunity to land DW. But....like I always say.....We’ll See.

 

[TrogdorTheBurninator]

Demolish it?

Watson is 10X the QB Tua is.

With a full assortment of weapons returning and at least two 2nd rounders...I'd rather see Watson throwing to Amon St. Ra than I would Tua to Devonte Smith.

He is today. In 2 to 3 years, he won't be, but will still be paid 10x more. If that's what you want? Fine. I don't. Overpaying for any player destroys the building process.

 

[Soxfinatic]

Thanks Sox..... Same back at you.

You make a great point about Cheerleading Tua. I’m not a fan of that either. If I get pulled, I’m going to be angry as hell.

Yes, the offense ran better with Fitz after Tua got yanked. But I attribute that to 17 years of experience vs 9 games. The main things about Tua that have me excited are his accuracy and that he doesn’t let the game get too big for him. That and he beat Belichick’s D pretty handily. As you know, Belichick normally has rookies for lunch (Herbert).

Here’s the funny part about this off-season so far..... I’m not even that big of a Tua fan. And yet I’m here defending like he’s my cousin or something. I’ve said that right now he’s not good. All the deficiencies you listed are evident and valid. The reason for defending him is that we don’t know what we have....Yet. I just want to wait....Load up the team and see what he has.

In 1 year.... I might be right there with you. And yes.....We will have blown an opportunity to land DW. But....like I always say.....We’ll See.

Brian Flores, as I have said many times, is one of the smartest men in professional football. When it comes to personnel, I trust him. I think he will make the right call for us.

 

[Soxfinatic]

He is today. In 2 to 3 years, he won't be, but will still be paid 10x more. If that's what you want? Fine. I don't. Overpaying for any player destroys the building process.

It's not overpaying. He's 29 mil against the cap. That is the going rate for a top 5 qb. Ryan Tannehill makes that much! If Tua has production like Watson, he will be paid the same. I will bet the house he never does but IF he does, expect that the money comes with it.

 

[Soxfinatic]

Demolish it?

Watson is 10X the QB Tua is.

With a full assortment of weapons returning and at least two 2nd rounders...I'd rather see Watson throwing to Amon St. Ra than I would Tua to Devonte Smith.

Exactly! There are no guarantees in the draft. Maybe 1 of the 4 hits? Maybe 3 of the 4 hit? Maybe none hit. I know what Watson is and it would not demolish anything. By that logic, the Chiefs would be demolished because of Mahomes and his 45 million salary.

 

[TrogdorTheBurninator]

It's not overpaying. He's 29 mil against the cap. That is the going rate for a top 5 qb. Ryan Tannehill makes that much! If Tua has production like Watson, he will be paid the same. I will bet the house he never does but IF he does, expect that the money comes with it.

He's going to be $40mil+ for '22 and '23. And if we end up paying Tua the same it won't be after trading a **** load of assets.

 

[Nublar7]

Is this coming from a Dolphins fan posting on Finheaven, or is it coming from a Tua fan holding a ban hammer over the thread?

There is a difference....

As a Dolphins fan who knows judging and giving up on Tua after 9 games is silly.

As a Dolphins fan that realizes Tua had a better rookie season than a lot of current star quarterbacks in the NFL, including Josh Allen and Ryan Tannehill.

As a Dolphins fan that realizes Tua also came off a major hip injury and spent the entire offseason rehabbing and had no offseason workouts, OTAs or mini camps. Also realizing that he is now fully healed and this offseason will be spent training and building strength.

As a Dolphins fan that realizes the offensive skill positions were lacking this season and the injuries down that stretch were forcing Tua to throw to no name players (Yes Fitzpatrick did better with the same skill players, but Fitz is a 16 year vet and Tua is a rookie, so naturally he has an advantage of knowing how to play with much less).

As a Dolphins fan who knows Tua is a very talented player, and yes this year had some downs, but there were also some nice ups that gave me confidence he will continue to develop and transition into what we hope he will be. I believe he is only at the floor of his potential and the ceiling could be top 5 in the league when all is said and done.

As a Dolphins fan that feels Miami has built up a tremendous amount of draft picks assets and would much rather keep developing Tua, building around him instead of throwing Tua and everything we built for one player that already has a massive veteran QB contract. Yeah it would be nice to have Watson in 2021 who arguably would be better that year, but if you give up all your picks and potentially other star players (like Xavien Howard) the overall team is likely worse than if you stick with developing Tua and building up the rest of the team. Watson played great this year, but without help he was still 4-12 as a starter. I would rather an improved Tua with more time/experience, more skill players, keeping our great players and winning 10-12 games next year and being in the playoffs. Than Watson with possibly better QB stats in 2021 and only winning a handful of games and no playoffs.

As a Dolphins fan who believes the words of Flores and Grier and their very definitive commitment to Tua as the starter.

As a Dolphins fan who sees plugged in Houston sources and other plugged in NFL people who are rolling on the floor laughing at the idea that Houston would even consider trading Watson.

Will Tua ever be a better quarterback than Watson? Idk. Will Tua improve and become a top level quarterback, I can't say for sure but the potential is very much there for that. After his rookie season if Buffalo ran Josh Allen out of town, they would have made a colossal mistake, and he was awful compared to what Tua did in his rookie season. Allen started two more games than Tua did his first year and he had less passing touchdowns and over double interceptions.

So I stand by my original statement, Houston is not trading Watson and Miami is not trading/giving up on Tua.

 

[RobertHorry]

As a Dolphins fan who knows judging and giving up on Tua after 9 games is silly.

As a Dolphins fan that realizes Tua had a better rookie season than a lot of current star quarterbacks in the NFL, including Josh Allen and Ryan Tannehill.

As a Dolphins fan that realizes Tua also came off a major hip injury and spent the entire offseason rehabbing and had no offseason workouts, OTAs or mini camps. Also realizing that he is now fully healed and this offseason will be spent training and building strength.

As a Dolphins fan that realizes the offensive skill positions were lacking this season and the injuries down that stretch were forcing Tua to throw to no name players (Yes Fitzpatrick did better with the same skill players, but Fitz is a 16 year vet and Tua is a rookie, so naturally he has an advantage of knowing how to play with much less).

As a Dolphins fan who knows Tua is a very talented player, and yes this year had some downs, but there were also some nice ups that gave me confidence he will continue to develop and transition into what we hope he will be. I believe he is only at the floor of his potential and the ceiling could be top 5 in the league when all is said and done.

As a Dolphins fan that feels Miami has built up a tremendous amount of draft picks assets and would much rather keep developing Tua, building around him instead of throwing Tua and everything we built for one player that already has a massive veteran QB contract. Yeah it would be nice to have Watson in 2021 who arguably would be better that year, but if you give up all your picks and potentially other star players (like Xavien Howard) the overall team is likely worse than if you stick with developing Tua and building up the rest of the team. Watson played great this year, but without help he was still 4-12 as a starter. I would rather an improved Tua with more time/experience, more skill players, keeping our great players and winning 10-12 games next year and being in the playoffs. Than Watson with possibly better QB stats in 2021 and only winning a handful of games and no playoffs.

As a Dolphins fan who believes the words of Flores and Grier and their very definitive commitment to Tua as the starter.

As a Dolphins fan who sees plugged in Houston sources and other plugged in NFL people who are rolling on the floor laughing at the idea that Houston would even consider trading Watson.

Will Tua ever be a better quarterback than Watson? Idk. Will Tua improve and become a top level quarterback, I can't say for sure but the potential is very much there for that. After his rookie season if Buffalo ran Josh Allen out of town, they would have made a colossal mistake, and he was awful compared to what Tua did in his rookie season. Allen started two more games than Tua did his first year and he had less passing touchdowns and over double interceptions.

So I stand by my original statement, Houston is not trading Watson and Miami is not trading/giving up on Tua.

You aren't going to get a response from them. There is too much logic in this post for them to comprehend.

 

[bostondolphin]

Gonna cost way more than that. Thats basically #3 and a 4th rounder. Its going to take multiple firsts

I'm sorry - what?!?

Tua is worth a 4th rounder now? One of the most accomplished college QB's ever, a consensus top 5 pick less than a year ago, coming off major surgery and still 6-3 in 9 games, is now worth a 4th rounder?

If that's true, let's get Herbert instead. Should only cost what, a 3rd rounder?

 

[Soxfinatic]

He's going to be $40mil+ for '22 and '23. And if we end up paying Tua the same it won't be after trading a **** load of assets.

Because the Texans paid Watson a $27 million signing bonus last year the cost is very affordable. A team would be on the hook for $10.54 million in 2021, $35 million in 2022, $37 million in 2023, and $32 million in 2024 and in 2025. The average cost would be just $29.3 million per year which is way under the market for quarterbacks so it would be a bargain bin contract compared to Watson’s talent level.

I should have said AAV. He is affordable because there is an out to renegotiate after 2024, which is commonplace. So, you'd rather have Tua and the lottery tickets, rather than one of the best in the game still with plenty of picks and go get free agents? In other sports where the cap doesn't have the factor that the NFL does, I would understand this but the NFL is different in my opinion. The window of excellence is very short in football. Whatever they do is fine as this is all hypothetical anyway but if I had the choice, it's DW all day long.

 

[Rick Cartman]

I just don't see Houston trading Watson, the person capable of trading a 25 year old player of that caliber got fired midseason.