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Fiedler Top Backup?

Those of you mentioning Jon Kitna.

You do realize that you have fallen into the hype of 1 good season?

Prior to that his career was less then average.

Garcia are you kidding me? He is more of a noodle arm then Fiedler. He showed that last year without Owens.

Frerotte? I guess if you count one good season and a 2 game span a great backup then go ahead.

Feeley? He actually was very good as a backup.

Volek and Rattay I could see the argument for.

For me right now, Holcombe, Fiedler and Volek would be the best backups IMO.

I would take Fiedler over any of them. No matter how much you knocked the guy or how bad he played he always put us in position to win. He failed sometimes, and he succeeded sometimes, but very seldom were we ever blown out or didn't have a chance to win it.
 
GRYPHONK said:
Those of you mentioning Jon Kitna.

You do realize that you have fallen into the hype of 1 good season?

Prior to that his career was less then average.

Garcia are you kidding me? He is more of a noodle arm then Fiedler. He showed that last year without Owens.

Frerotte? I guess if you count one good season and a 2 game span a great backup then go ahead.

Feeley? He actually was very good as a backup.

Volek and Rattay I could see the argument for.

For me right now, Holcombe, Fiedler and Volek would be the best backups IMO.

I would take Fiedler over any of them. No matter how much you knocked the guy or how bad he played he always put us in position to win. He failed sometimes, and he succeeded sometimes, but very seldom were we ever blown out or didn't have a chance to win it.
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You cite only one good season with Kitna and then dare put Volek on your list? Hypocritical much? :rolleyes2
 
Mfinsrule said:
Doesn't make many mistakes?! I would think he threw more touchdowns to the defense than his own guys. The Jests will be in serious trouble if he actually has to play for them. Another Finfan said it best a while ago..........The jests favorite saying will be the same as ours has been..............Aww Godamnit Fiedler!!!!
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You nailed it Mfinsrule. I can't believe we are actually responding to a thread about him being the best back up. Wanny made this guy our starter. Marino was forced to retire bacause Wanny wanted to play this guy. I could have understood having Marino retire if we picked up a good free agent, but Jay Fiedler. Thank God for Nick Saban!
 
There are at least seven backup QBs better than Fiedler. The following is a list of all of them in no particular order:

Tommy Maddox
Jon Kitna
A.J Feeley/ Gus Frerotte
Kelly Holcomb
Billy Volek
Mike McMahon
Brad Johnson

There's another six that probably will be better

Charlie Frye
Phillip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
David Greene
Alex Smith/ Tim Rattay
 
Johnnymost said:
You nailed it Mfinsrule. I can't believe we are actually responding to a thread about him being the best back up. Wanny made this guy our starter. Marino was forced to retire bacause Wanny wanted to play this guy. I could have understood having Marino retire if we picked up a good free agent, but Jay Fiedler. Thank God for Nick Saban!
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Marino was not forced to retire in order to play Fiedler. Fiedler wasnt even declared to be the starter until well into the preseason that year. And as far as fiedler making mistakes, he had 66 picks in 75 games, Marino had 252 picks in 242 games.
 
Jimmy James said:
You cite only one good season with Kitna and then dare put Volek on your list? Hypocritical much? :rolleyes2
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Good point!!

However, I am in referrence to the fact that Kitna, Frerotte have been in the league for many years and have only had one successful season or stint.

Volek in his only time as coming in played awesome.

In other words the other 2 have had many chances and failed on many occasions.

In Voleks 1 shot he accelled.

That is my point.

But yes, on the outside it would seem like a hypocritical statement:goof:
 
adamprez2003 said:
There are at least seven backup QBs better than Fiedler. The following is a list of all of them in no particular order:

Tommy Maddox
Jon Kitna
A.J Feeley/ Gus Frerotte
Kelly Holcomb
Billy Volek
Mike McMahon
Brad Johnson

There's another six that probably will be better

Charlie Frye
Phillip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
David Greene
Alex Smith/ Tim Rattay
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Exaggeration is fun kiddies!
 
GRYPHONK said:
Good point!!

However, I am in referrence to the fact that Kitna, Frerotte have been in the league for many years and have only had one successful season or stint.

Volek in his only time as coming in played awesome.

In other words the other 2 have had many chances and failed on many occasions.

In Voleks 1 shot he accelled.

That is my point.

But yes, on the outside it would seem like a hypocritical statement:goof:
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I hope you're one of the hard core Feeley supporters because Feeley also played "awesome" in his first shot. The same goes for Scott Mitchell and Charlie Batch.
 
adamprez2003 said:
There are at least seven backup QBs better than Fiedler. The following is a list of all of them in no particular order:

Tommy Maddox
Jon Kitna
A.J Feeley/ Gus Frerotte
Kelly Holcomb
Billy Volek
Mike McMahon
Brad Johnson

There's another six that probably will be better

Charlie Frye
Phillip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
David Greene
Alex Smith/ Tim Rattay
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Yet not one of those guys has nearly the same winning percentage as Fiedler.

That's always the problem with these questions it's always relative.

I will just listen to his teammates. Thomas was quoted as saying " You know all the fans boo him, and want him gone. Then when he is gone they cry to have him back. All I know is we win with him. We don't without him" That was right after the Dallas Thanksgiving game or before I believe.
 
PhiNomina said:
:lol: Classic

Remember how successful Lucas and Griese were/are before they played in our system. Jay outperformed them by a longshot...lets see what he can do in a real system before we hope he starts for the Jets. I for one do not...at all...want to see Jay come in and enact his revenge against us. I think he could be extremely effective in a good system such as theirs. Remember his weakness is the long ball, we never gave him the chance to throw those 10-20 yarders that he is actually extremely good at.
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actually, no system is simpler then the jets. hopefully there new OC changes that. I hated seeing them win with the way there offense was ran wit hackett. its was pathetic.
 
Jimmy James said:
I hope you're one of the hard core Feeley supporters because Feeley also played "awesome" in his first shot. The same goes for Scott Mitchell and Charlie Batch.
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What's your point exactly?

Would you prefer to go with someone who has shown that in 10 years he has only had 1 successful year or someone who in his brief time as a backup did great when he got his shot.

With the other guys you know you get mediocrity. Short sweet and simple. That is what you get with Frerotte, Maddox, Garcia and all these guys.

Atleast with Feeley you get potential. He has still yet to show what he can do in this league. Whether he pans out or not is beside the point.

The fact is guys like Kitna and Frerotte have only 1 good season to show for in the resume that is it.

Fiedler showed the same thing. Mediocrity. he was good enough to win but not good enough to ytake us to the next level. Now you want guys like Kitna, Frerotte and Garcia who have gone no farther then Fiedler in the Playoffs with better offenses?
 
The only argument people make when defending Fiedler is his won loss percentage. With the defense Miami gave him that's an irrelevent argument. Fuad Reviez could have been the QB and gotten a similar winning percentage with the teams Fiedler played on. Here are his lifetime stats and they are the statistics of a putrid QB.


Jay Fiedler #9 | Quarterback | New York Jets
Height: 6-2 Weight: 225 Born: Dec 29, 1971 - Oceanside, NY College: Dartmouth
Draft: None

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Career Stats

Career Stats Passing Rushing Sacked Fumbles
Season Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
1998 Minnesota 5 22.6 3 7 42.9 41 8.2 5.9 0 1 4 -6 -1.2 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
1999 Jacksonville 8 83.5 61 94 64.9 656 82.0 7.0 2 2 13 26 3.3 2.0 0 7 47 1 0
2000 Miami 15 74.5 204 357 57.1 2402 160.1 6.7 14 14 54 267 17.8 4.9 1 23 129 2 2
2001 Miami 16 80.3 273 450 60.7 3290 205.6 7.3 20 19 73 321 20.1 4.4 4 27 178 6 4
2002 Miami 11 85.2 179 292 61.3 2024 184.0 6.9 14 9 28 99 9.0 3.5 3 13 89 3 1
2003 Miami 12 72.4 179 314 57.0 2138 178.2 6.8 11 13 34 88 7.3 2.6 3 19 126 7 4
2004 Miami 8 67.1 101 190 53.2 1186 148.3 6.2 7 8 12 59 7.4 4.9 0 25 165 8 4
Career 75 76.9 1000 1704 58.7 11737 156.5 6.9 68 66 218 854 11.4 3.9 11 114 734 27 15




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