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Fiedler Top Backup?

adamprez2003 said:
I had 7 backup QBs rated higher than Fiedler. I dont have him as the 60th best QB out there but I also don't have him in the top 30. My point here is to quash this lovefest regarding his abilities. He was never more than a backup that we got stuck with as our starter. It's not his fault. it's Wanny's and managements
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I disagree with your rating. Frankly, I think Jay is a bottom of the league starter (or at least was prior to breaking his hand in Denver). I will say this for you, though -- you're blaming the right people when you blame Wanny. If you wanted a better QB in here, you can't blame Fiedler for not getting it. He just did his job.
 
Jimmy James said:
Ray Lucas is easy -- he stank.

Brian Griese really is difficult to explain if you're trying to bash Jay.
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Yet Ray Lucas led the Jets to the Playoffs with a 10-6 record
Brian Griese also was a pro Bowler and played decent after that and was the known scapegoat for Denver. H esure did play well in TB didn't he?

I think some of you undervalue the competition Fiedler had. I also believe that some of you don't truly see and appreciate what Fiedler did when he was here.

He did what no other QB from a Pro Bowler to a guy who led his team to thePlayoffs couldn't do. Fiedler simply won.

He played solid for us under Chan Gailey
Amazing how he started to deteriorate when Turner tried tomake him a apocket passer even throw he thrived under Gailey as a playaction bootleg passer.

Fact in the Dallas game, Philly game, Washington game all his great games in MIAMI what was the common theme? Open playbook, boot legs and let him create plays with his feet.

Now look at the games he stunk at Turner stubbornly called for him to be a pocket passer.

Turner didn't utilize his strengths. If you have a QB qho until 2004 was rated one of the tops QB'S rating wise when out of the pocket why are you gonna make him a pocket passer when under Gailey and letting Fiedler move around we made it to 2 straight 11-5 season.

Alot of you wanted a scapegoat for our misfortune and you point to Fiedler. That's fine.

But IMO it was always Turner and Wanny. Fiedler thrived under Gailey when healthy. When Turner took over and let Fiedler throw Dallas, Philly, Detroit it was amazing that Fiedler was accurate and poised. But the moment Turner had to be stubborn and limit Fiedler and take away audibles Fiedler stunk.

I will say this. How many times did we go into halftime with a 21-10 or 17-3 lead where Fiedler was on fire? Allot. Now hat always happened? Wanny got conservative and we blew the lead.

Fiedler just won. TB and Baltimores defense didn't seem to have a problem with lack of offense and on their SB runs both times their offenses were worse then Miami's.
 
Even if Lucas went 6-3 for the Jets in 1999, he stank. I can accept that a QB can get hot and go on a run like he did the second half of that season even though he sucks. I cannot accept that Jay was on a really long version of the same sort of run even though he sucks. 4 years is far too long for it to be luck, hotness, or anything like that.
 
There's not a GM in the league who would take Travis Taylor over Chris chambers but keep believing that they're equal if you wish
 
adamprez2003 said:
There's not a GM in the league who would take Travis Taylor over Chris chambers but keep believing that they're equal if you wish
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That's funny because given their draft position, I can argue that you're dead wrong about this. There at least was a time when Taylor was hot enough to be a 1st round pick while Chambers languished until the 2nd.
 
The best comparison of Fiedler is to compare him to Jeff Garcia. I personally believe that either QB can win regular season games if the system (west coast) is tailored to his style. My point with both is that you can't possibly win the Super Bowl with those types of QBs. A qb Like Dilfer can be argued was worse than Fiedler but due to his arm he could beat a Super Bowl defense. The problem with the Garcias and the Fiedlers is that they do not scare defenses and therefore force you to beat them through the air which neither one can do when the running game is taken away
 
He played solid for us under Chan Gailey
Amazing how he started to deteriorate when Turner tried tomake him a apocket passer even throw he thrived under Gailey as a playaction bootleg passer.

very good point
 
Speaking of Chan, has anybody heard how he's doing after the heart attack? I hope he's well.

Norv's handling of Jay really changed my opinion of him. I know it's an unpopular opinion around here (or was at one point), but I would far rather have Chan as my OC if I had the choice of the two to put on my coaching staff.
 
Look Fiedler is going back to a west coast offense which is perfectly suited for him. He should be able to play up to his abilities there. I still believe the type of QB we need is one that can make "all" the throws and keep defenses from stacking the box
 
When we were playoff bound and living high year after year (until last season) everyone was always looking to hang someone. Easiest target....Fiedler. Now I don't think he's the best QB out there and all that crap but the guy was doing his job and gave everything he had. I'd like someone to show me how Fiedler lost more games for us then our Defense folding? Jay was paid like an average QB and he played like one. It's that simple. For us to win...we needed everyone to play up to their level. Defense had to play great etc. All the pieces to the puzzle....we won more often then not. However....one piece breaks....we didn't win. Jay can't bring a team to glory by himself....and he sure as hell wasn't paid to. I personally like the guy and he took a lot of crap from fans and the media over the years and has still yet to say anything negative about the organization or you, the fans. His experience as a starter for years is alot better then 99% of rookies or other QBs that haven't played and he deserves to be listed as one of the top backup QBs. It's amazing the blind hatred people have for this guy.
 
I remember Jim Mandich making comments about what was the most disappointing thing about the Phins the last 4 years.

He basically said the defense. He was saying how he witnessed in so many games all the dfense had to do was make a stop and they couldn't.

Even Mandich who watches every game and analyzes every play realized it wasn't Fiedler's job to win games.

Our teamm was built simple. Fiedler to manage games and not to lose games, while our defense finishes it off and wins the game. He did that the whole 4 seasons. Where he messed up was when the defense let a lead slip, or our offense got conservative and he now had to go out and beat teams with his arm. He wasn't gonna do that.

He already go you a 14 point lead. He already got you a 10 point lead. Now you want him to throw maybe 6 passes in a quarter and a hlaf and expect him to be sharp in the last 6 mins of the 4th quarter?

He didn't lose any games. The only game I pin on Fiedler is the Oakland playoff game. He just really didn't win any either.

He simply did his job which was to conserve and protect a lead. To manage a game. He did that.

The fact is that when they opened up the playbook Fiedler was always efficient and sharp. It's when they dummied it down and made it conservative that's when he became very ineffective. That is a fact and there is no denying it just look at the numbers.

I keep bringing these examples up. Detroit, Minny, Philly, 2nd jets game in 2003, Dallas, Washington ( The 1st half of the season before he tore his rotator cuff which was his first season) 2003 before he broke his thumb. Remember he was a top 5 QB in yards per game, rating, completion percentage. The common themE is that during those games and periods we didn't go conservative we went all out. I would say that is more then just a fluke or 1 or 2 bad games. I would say it is more schem and coaching then bad QB. Remember he also helped Chambers lead the league in YPC his rookie season. You don't do that without being able to throw the deep ball.
 
GRYPHONK said:
He didn't lose any games. The only game I pin on Fiedler is the Oakland playoff game. He just really didn't win any either.
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...you did watch the night game at Denver a couple of years back.....voted (i believe) the best game of the year (or one of the top ones, i forget the nfl.com poll or whatever now). He led us to wins several times...and he did lose several games as well. I'm just curious if anyone can prove Jay kept us out of the playoffs more then the overpaid Defense. That said...your overall point is correct :) He wasn't supposed to be Marino and he wasn't paid to be.
 
Just a hunch, but Fiedler will play a role in the Jets' fortunes.




That statement brings a big smile to my face. :D
 
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