Fire Philbin / Poor timeout management

[roy_miami]

Philbin's clock management strength is saving time for a possession when the other team has the ball. Otherwise he often screws up. During that last possession today I was worried he'd be itchy to call time out in fear that Green Bay would score with no time for the Dolphins to respond. But I'm convinced that's not how it played out. He simply clutched a stupid idea that he needed to worry solely about his own team with no recognition whatsoever toward how Green Bay was faring and who would benefit most from that time out.

Don't tell me you're joining the results oriented brigade too. Before today we were 3-0 in using timeouts in that situation against what'll likely be hall of fame QBs, show me some evidence that decision is a clear mistake one way or the other. It seems to me its a 50/50 type deal at worst, especially against an elite QB.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Don't tell me you're joining the results oriented brigade too. Before today we were 3-0 in using timeouts in that situation against what'll likely be hall of fame QBs, show me some evidence that decision is a clear mistake one way or the other. It seems to me its a 50/50 type deal at worst, especially against an elite QB.

When you consider game strategy, you gotta look at it on a case by case basis. On that particular play, the opposing team needed a touchdown, the clock was running, and time was a crucial factor. We also had just picked up a little momentum. The Packers were scrambling and looked like they might buckle. We gave them a chance to regroup and get their best play ready to go.

It was a bad decision, and it was only matched, IMO, by the decision to call a timeout later on and then come out of your planning session with... Phil Wheeler matched up on Quarless. Rodgers just looked right that way, didn't even hesitate. Saw it before the snap. Easy touchdown. The players made some bad plays in the game, but that was a clear case of setting your guys up to fail.

 

[trojanma]

If Quarless had primarily been a blocker the entire game(1 catch for 6 yards until then) it is unlikely that we were prepared to defend him split out wide.
It was simply a good mismatch call. But there are only so many weapons you can defend.

Once rogers was on the 5 yards line against a reeling defense we were as good as toast.

 

[Dthrill_08]

He is absolutely clueless when it comes to end of half game management - its been especially glaring this year. He should do us all a favor and pack his incompetent ass on the Packers' plane home so he can get back to doing what he excels at in life - making PowerPoint presentations for McCarthy.

EDIT: Although I did agree with going for it on 4 and goal after the blocked punt. The way the game was going there, they needed to match GB's scoring. It was just horrid execution.

What killed us in this game was the absolutely asinine timeout and the weird playcalling on the last offensive possession.

I loved that they went for it on 4th down... I hated that they chose that play lol.

 

[roy_miami]

When you consider game strategy, you gotta look at it on a case by case basis. On that particular play, the opposing team needed a touchdown, the clock was running, and time was a crucial factor. We also had just picked up a little momentum. The Packers were scrambling and looked like they might buckle. We gave them a chance to regroup and get their best play ready to go.

It was a bad decision, and it was only matched, IMO, by the decision to call a timeout later on and then come out of your planning session with... Phil Wheeler matched up on Quarless. Rodgers just looked right that way, didn't even hesitate. Saw it before the snap. Easy touchdown. The players made some bad plays in the game, but that was a clear case of setting your guys up to fail.

There was 10 seconds on the play clock, their O was lined up and ready to play, there are plenty of pros and cons in this decision but I'm sure Rodgers was good either way. Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, the reason he's known as a great QB is because he makes plays in situations like that. Its ridiculous to expect the Head Coach to out duel the best QB in the game with absolute perfect timeout usage, and maybe it was perfect timeout usage, its really impossible to know.

You can't blame the coach for Tannehill throwing the ball to the other team. You can't blame the coach for Rodgers being a great QB (actually, maybe you can). You can blame the coach for the false starts, the illegal formation, for not being able to punch it in on the one yard line, for whatever the hell happened on that 2nd and 9. But the bottom line is Rodgers is great and I bet he would tell you he was pretty happy with his game today. So a great QB was playing great, that's tough to beat, we gave him a game but he was just too good on this day.

If you're the team with the great QB relying on the team with the poor QB to **** up in order to win, you should not be ecstatic with your teams performance.

 

[Da Phinishisher]

There was 10 seconds on the play clock, their O was lined up and ready to play, there are plenty of pros and cons in this decision but I'm sure Rodgers was good either way. Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, the reason he's known as a great QB is because he makes plays in situations like that. Its ridiculous to expect the Head Coach to out duel the best QB in the game with absolute perfect timeout usage, and maybe it was perfect timeout usage, its really impossible to know.

You can't blame the coach for Tannehill throwing the ball to the other team. You can't blame the coach for Rodgers being a great QB (actually, maybe you can). You can blame the coach for the false starts, the illegal formation, for not being able to punch it in on the one yard line, for whatever the hell happened on that 2nd and 9. But the bottom line is Rodgers is great and I bet he would tell you he was pretty happy with his game today. So a great QB was playing great, that's tough to beat, we gave him a game but he was just too good on this day.

If you're the team with the great QB relying on the team with the poor QB to **** up in order to win, you should not be ecstatic with your teams performance.

Rodgers probably does score either way, but Joe wanted to give them more time to increase their chances. He wanted to make sure they got it since he felt they deserved the win.

Rodgers is great and a stand up guy. I bet he even picked up the tab when he, McCarthy and Joe went out to dinner after the game.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

There was 10 seconds on the play clock, their O was lined up and ready to play, there are plenty of pros and cons in this decision but I'm sure Rodgers was good either way. Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, the reason he's known as a great QB is because he makes plays in situations like that. Its ridiculous to expect the Head Coach to out duel the best QB in the game with absolute perfect timeout usage, and maybe it was perfect timeout usage, its really impossible to know.

You can't blame the coach for Tannehill throwing the ball to the other team. You can't blame the coach for Rodgers being a great QB (actually, maybe you can). You can blame the coach for the false starts, the illegal formation, for not being able to punch it in on the one yard line, for whatever the hell happened on that 2nd and 9. But the bottom line is Rodgers is great and I bet he would tell you he was pretty happy with his game today. So a great QB was playing great, that's tough to beat, we gave him a game but he was just too good on this day.

If you're the team with the great QB relying on the team with the poor QB to **** up in order to win, you should not be ecstatic with your teams performance.

Hang on, we're expected to give Joe credit for making Aaron Rodgers great, but not give the coach blame for the struggles of our own quarterback?

O-o-o-oooookay.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Sore losers thread I see. Many opportunities to win the game on several plays despite poor QB play on our end and Russell Wilson-esque QB play on their end and you guys want to whine over 2 seconds of play clock...

He's done the same thing in three other wins, how come nobody whined about it then?

Huh? Rodgers didn't throw an interception on the final drive to seal the game with a loss.

 

[roy_miami]

Hang on, we're expected to give Joe credit for making Aaron Rodgers great, but not give the coach blame for the struggles of our own quarterback?

O-o-o-oooookay.

You know there is the possibility that he helped get the best out of both QBs right? I don't care if Don Shula is your head coach, Vince Lombardi is your offensive coordinator and Jim Harbaugh is your QB coach even they could not turn Chad Henne into a star.

There is nothing statistically to prove Tannehill won't ever be a top 10 QB but at some point a time element has to kick in, I think Tannanballs said it best, he plays like a perpetual rookie, the game doesn't appear to be slowing down. Maybe he's a late bloomer, maybe he needs a jolt by drafting some legitimate competition, but I would have no issue in trading him for a draft pick right now. I'm sure he'll develop into a decent starter for some team some day but I want to start swinging for the fences to get my own Aaron Rodgers.

 

[enigmatics]

Don't tell me you're joining the results oriented brigade too. Before today we were 3-0 in using timeouts in that situation against what'll likely be hall of fame QBs, show me some evidence that decision is a clear mistake one way or the other. It seems to me its a 50/50 type deal at worst, especially against an elite QB.

Oh they would have celebrated their collective asses off if we punched it in on that 4th down.

 

[Tannenbombs]

Why can't I thumbs down roy_miami?

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Philbin on final time out:

(On using the time outs on defense.)

“We kind of call that ‘Kodaking’. What we do is we let the offense line up in a specific formation and then we want to call time-out. One time we called it on fourth down where, again, that was something we talked about. We’ve used it before in the past and I’m most concerned that our team knows what they’re going to do and how we’re going to execute the call. Again, you have to give Green Bay credit. They made plays. They made the play on fourth-and-ten and they made the play at the end zone to win the game. They made plays in the fourth quarter. Give them credit. But again, that’s something wasn’t just – it’s something we talk about all the time, we’ve used, again, we could argue if it was wise to do it, but that was a decision that I knew we were going to do. Wait for them to line up and then call.”

Mike McCarthy on the Dolphins calling two timeouts on the Packers last drive:

(At the end there, the Dolphins called two timeouts on that very last drive. Did it kind of give you guys a chance to get settled because you were moving down the field?)

I actually think those were smart timeouts. When you feel like you’re on your heels a little bit defensively to call timeout, let them reset, and get ready. The defense calling timeout did not give us an advantage…in my opinion."

Aaron Rodgers on the same timeout before the final TD:

(Was it an advantage or disadvantage to the offense when the defense took the timeouts during the last drive?)

“I think it’s more of a help to the defense. We were kind of rolling there, after we got the first down on fourth down we got a couple good plays and another first down. I think that kind of settled them down a little bit potentially. We like to play in those situations as quickly as possible and we feel like it’s hard for the defense to get a call in if we’re at the line of scrimmage.”

Failthread.

 

[Tannenbombs]

Dan. Quinn.

 

[SkapePhin]

Philbin on final time out:

(On using the time outs on defense.)



Mike McCarthy on the Dolphins calling two timeouts on the Packers last drive:

(At the end there, the Dolphins called two timeouts on that very last drive. Did it kind of give you guys a chance to get settled because you were moving down the field?)



Aaron Rodgers on the same timeout before the final TD:

(Was it an advantage or disadvantage to the offense when the defense took the timeouts during the last drive?)



Failthread.

Really, you are quoting McCarthy and Rodgers on this? Philbin's BFFs? Of course they aren't going to question the dumbass call because they don't their precious Joe to look bad, but anyone with sense knows it was a bad call.

What makes it even worse is that Joe seems to have made the decision without even thinking it through entirely - it's as if it's some intractable rule that he will always call a timeout to prepare the defense regardless of the situation. That is NOT good situational football and that is NOT good coaching. It's the equivalent of latching on to a receiver and throwing and INT.


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[syborg]

Same old same old....
a terrible first half ... again...but the D were great in keeping us in the game until the Offence woke up.. but it was a second half wake up call again.

If our Offence was as good as our Defence we would be a fantastic football team!!

I don't understand why we ran out of the shotgun on 4th and goal instead of taking the sure 3 pointer.. it's not like it was late in the game and necessary?? This was a huge mistake.

At the close of the game I don't understand why we were so poor on our last drive - it was as if we were playing for the 4 point victory and expecting the D on our side to hold the Packers with just minutes to go.. Philbin does know how fast the Pack with #12 can move that ball right??

Why oh why we take a time out when we have them on the ropes with just a minute to go allowing them to regroup and reset I have no idea and no explanation from the coach will satisfy me on that..

Coaching errors (for me) are the biggest factor in this loss...and now we sit at 2-3 with the Patriots resurgent and the Bills looking like their decline is happening as predicted.. Patriots for the AFC East title this year then....