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Fish Castoff D-Line vs the "Browncos"

fishsticks said:

because we're the Taliban, and continuously ban people for no reason...

That... and you really are becoming a disruption.

Let's try to keep the thread on topic, and cease & desist with the finger pointing and arguing
 
Hoofbeats said:
Dolfan984 said:
Dude the only one who's even in the same league of talent of Taylor, Carter, and Traylor is Pryce, and he's been injured lately.

Our D-line is one of the best in the league...our front 7 is one of the best in the league.QUOTE]
That's truly funny. Taylor is still good, though not great. Traylor is drawing social security and can't move more than 2 feet in either direction. He's the perfect NT for our run scheme to dominate because Denver isn't like other teams. They force the D-line to run sideline to sideline on every play. Even though we run between the tackles, we do so by moving wide and cutting back. Traylor will be eaten alive inside. You've forgotten we've seen him more than you have. We drafted him and brought him back for the Superbowl runs in the late 90's. We got rid of him because he wears down drastically over the last half of the year, and that was when he weighed 305. He's HUGE now...and will be puffing wind in this game chasing Plummer and trying to move sideways while avoiding the inevitable cut block. Carter was at his best 4 years ago and has been average since, on a very average Titans defense.

Pryce is 100% healthy.

Carter had 6 sacks from the DT spot, which isn't too shabby and if you don't think he's going to be good in run support from that LDE spot you're crazy. He's been having a hell of a camp and you better not discount him...trust me he's still good. Did you watch Traylor for the Pats last year? We're not asking him to play the whole game. He's coming out for any passing situation, we have lots of D-line depth.

Glad you mentioned cut blocking :rolleyes:

If you think we're the same team that we were last year when he only lost by 3 in YOUR house, you have another thing coming.

Couple words for ya

Chris Forester
AJ Feeley


Nick Saban
Scott Linehan
David Boston
Ronnie Brown

Good luck, we've improved a hell of a lot.
 
Disgustipate said:
Again, 31st in the league vs. the run, and you have 4 of their linemen, 3 starting. As soon as Romeo Crenell got there, what did he do? Toss all of these linemen who fit the 3-4 scheme he wants to run. Ever wonder why? Probabaly not, but still.
Andre Patterson was the Browns D-Line coach and he knew these guys better than anyone. He's in Denver now. Warren has been excellent in preseason, as has Myers and Ekuban. The guys they beat out were ranked 4th in the league last year against the run.
Note the fact that the vast majority of quality Nose Tackles and 2-gap run stuffers in this league are older then 30 at this point.
LINK?
Dominated on both sides of the ball? THE SCORE WAS 20-17 AND THE GO AHEAD SCORE WAS A FIELD GO WITH 2:50 LEFT. Are you an idiot? There was no dominating in that game. Put aside the fact that we played the game with TWO starting members of our front 7 from opening day.
Our backup running back went for well over a hundred yards and you were owned 2:1 in total yardage. We turned it over 3 times to your 1. That's why it was close. Denver played terrible the last 6 games, including that one.
Again... you're ignoring the fact that your entire D-line besides Pryce is made up of guys not good enough to play for the Cleveland Browns. You're ignoring the fact that Plummer was YANKED last time we played, and is career backup quality.
Plummer threw for over 4,000 yards last year and 27 TD's. His INT ratio in Denver is slightly behind Marino's. His AZ stats were understandable given that it was ARIZONA...and three of your D-Line starters are ALSO castoffs, two from teams that were horrible on defense. The only difference is ours are young and yours are old...old and fat in the case of Traylor.:tongue:
 
Hoofbeats said:
I find it pretty hillarious that Fish fans are focusing on Denver's defensive line instead of their own. Sure, we brought in some players who were considered underachievers in Cleveland, but it seems to be lost on you guys that they were ADDED to a unit that was already 4th against the run and 4th overall in the NFL last year. Nobody questions that Brown, Warren and Ekuban are extremely talented. They were all high draft picks. That has not been their problem. The NFL is full of players who only achieved their potential once they changed teams, so this is nothing new. Miami, on the other hand ALSO brought in new defensive line guys. However you brought in old guys that are well past their prime, while we moved older guys off the roster or to the 2nd unit (Marco Coleman). This is odd considering you are the team that went 4-12 and we went 10-6, so you should be the ones rebuilding with younger guys.

Before you start bashing the performance of the "Browncos" last season it might be nice to look at how some of your own D-line castoffs are likely to perform. Traylor is 70 pounds overweight, with limited mobility and makes a good space eater but can't do the one thing you MUST do to stop Denver's running game; move well laterally. Holliday was a puzzling pickup to me. Kansas City's "defense" was pathetic the last two years so ANYBODY leaviing the Chiefs should be looked at with extreme skepticism. In the two Kansas City games last season, Denver runners gained 299 yards on 48 carries, or a whopping 6.2 yards a pop. It was even worse in 2003 as Denver went through the Chiefs "defense" like a hot knife through butter, averaging 34.5 points, 488 yards total offense and 224 on the ground, going off for a ridiculous 7 yards per carry rushing. For the 2004 season, KC's "defense" was horrible, finishing 28th against the run in yard per rush and dead last in yards per pass. They were no better in 2003, finishing last against the run and 29th overall. These dismal performances were actually considerably worse than Cleveland, which finished 27th and 16th respectively last year. The biggest difference however, is that these "Browncos" are not only talented, but young as well. Contrast this with the old guys Miami brought in. Keith Traylor is a fat old tub-o-goo whose good for one thing...clogging up the middle. He was effectively hidden in New England playing with the Pats superior talent around him. Unfortunately for you, Denver LOVES going against guys like this because they're stationary targets. Running against guys like Traylor and Holliday will always put smiles on the faces of Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell. The addition of Kevin Carter may help some, but Carter is 31, and not the player he used to be. His sack totals were somewhat inflated in St. Louis, which scored so much that the other team was frequently forced to pass in order to catch up, giving him the ability to forget about the run and just go after the QB early and often. Carter was let go by the Titans after 4 mediocre seasons; a team that finished 27th in total defense last year and 30th against the pass. So while Fish fans may think the "Browncos" will be easy pickin's, castoffs from sorry defenses lilke Kansas City and Tennessee plus an obese Traylor should hardly invoke confidence against our running game.

It's also quite funny to hear you talking about the Fish running over these guys based on their performance against them last year in Cleveland. The Fish scored only 10 points against Cleveland last year and gained a mediocre 280 yards in total offense. Adding a rookie runner and a career backup QB who can't get out of his own way doesn't qualify you to think it will be any better this time going up against these same guys surrounded by the fastest linebackers in the NFL and 2 All Pro defensive backs in the secondary.

The NFL's 4th best defense from 2004 added All Pro DE Trevor Pryce, a young, quick, potentially dominating DT in Warren, increased speed and depth off the edges in Ekuban and Engleberger and a high motor run stuffer in Myers. Anything physical freak Courtney Brown adds is merely gravy. If he stays healthy, this is a top 3 D-Line. Miami will not be improved on defense by adding old, slow, over-the-hill players like Traylor, Holliday and Carter to go with their other geezers like Seau and Thomas. Another 4-12 season is a distinct possibility. Barring a weather related equalizer in the form of a mud hole for a field, Denver should rush for 180-200 yards and probably sacks Gus at least 4 times. Giving Shanahan more than a week to prepare against a rookie coach is a recipe for a Denver win.

Prediction: Denver 34 Miami 10
OK nice long post, but in all of that talk about Miami d-line you did not even talk about J. Taylor, who in one of the best DE in Football.
 
dan the fin said:
OK nice long post, but in all of that talk about Miami d-line you did not even talk about J. Taylor, who in one of the best DE in Football.

No according to hoofbeat he just ok now.
 
Dolfan984 said:
Hoofbeats said:
Carter had 6 sacks from the DT spot, which isn't too shabby and if you don't think he's going to be good in run support from that LDE spot you're crazy. He's been having a hell of a camp and you better not discount him...trust me he's still good. Did you watch Traylor for the Pats last year? We're not asking him to play the whole game. He's coming out for any passing situation, we have lots of D-line depth.
Carter was at his best 5 years ago, though he's still decent, not great.
Glad you mentioned cut blocking :rolleyes:
Cut blocking is perfectly legal. Every team does it, including yours. We just do it better than anyone else.
If you think we're the same team that we were last year when he only lost by 3 in YOUR house, you have another thing coming.
I don't see a lot of serious improvement. It would be hard not to improve some over last year, and you lack a starting QB, which is the most important thing. Sorry, but Gus is just good enough to get you beat...as you will discover soon. We've seen more of Gus and Traylor than you have. Why do you think they're not here anymore?

Couple words for ya

Chris Forester
AJ Feeley


Nick Saban
Scott Linehan
David Boston
Ronnie Brown

Good luck, we've improved a hell of a lot.
You'll be debating if Feeley is better than Gus by week 4 IMO. Don't underestimate that he is VERY immobile...a sack waiting to happen. Saban comes from good stock, but he's still a rookie head coach pure and simple. He'll be good in a year though. Boston was hurt all last year. He's an unknown factor at this point. Brown has never taken an NFL snap in a real game. On Sunday, he'll be seeing the fastest set of linebackers in the NFL.
 
This thread sums up this experience on this board. I would say its typically gone like this: Dolphin fan makes a claim, Bronco fan responds, Dolphin fans attack Bronco team in every conceivable way. Bronco fans spend next five pages of thread defending it. I haven't seen a single decent take from the 'fin fans on this thread.

If we follow all your logic, it looks something like this:

Shanahan is overrated and sucks.

Him picking Maurice Clarret with a comped third means he's dumb and therefor will lose the game on Sunday

Jake Plummer sucks and will throw at least 2 interceptions in the game.

The Broncos D line sucks and can't stop anything.

The Broncos linebackers are too small.

Champ Bailey sucks.

The other corners also suck

John Lynch is too slow. He sucks too.

The Broncos receivers suck

Ronnie Brown will run all over the Broncos suck defense

No one can score on the Dolphins' Defense

The Dolphins O-line woes will magically be gone come Sunday

Dolphins will blowout Denver this Sunday.

Generally every other Bronco poster, even the smack talking ones, see it as a close game. You guys keep saying we aren't giving you any credit but its been all you guys dissing the Broncos the whole time. I feel a little bit of Karma coming around the corner.
 
dan the fin said:
OK nice long post, but in all of that talk about Miami d-line you did not even talk about J. Taylor, who in one of the best DE in Football.
No argument there...Jason is good, though I'd not put him as one of the best anymore. He's close though. Lepsis is our best pass blocker up front. That will be a key matchup.
 
Kaylore said:
This thread sums up this experience on this board. I would say its typically gone like this: Dolphin fan makes a claim, Bronco fan responds, Dolphin fans attack Bronco team in every conceivable way. Bronco fans spend next five pages of thread defending it. I haven't seen a single decent take from the 'fin fans on this thread.

If we follow all your logic, it looks something like this:

Shanahan is overrated and sucks.

Him picking Maurice Clarret with a comped third means he's dumb and therefor will lose the game on Sunday

Jake Plummer sucks and will throw at least 2 interceptions in the game.

The Broncos D line sucks and can't stop anything.

The Broncos linebackers are too small.

Champ Bailey sucks.

The other corners also suck

John Lynch is too slow. He sucks too.

The Broncos receivers suck

Ronnie Brown will run all over the Broncos suck defense

No one can score on the Dolphins' Defense

The Dolphins O-line woes will magically be gone come Sunday

Dolphins will blowout Denver this Sunday.

Generally every other Bronco poster, even the smack talking ones, see it as a close game. You guys keep saying we aren't giving you any credit but its been all you guys dissing the Broncos the whole time. I feel a little bit of Karma coming around the corner.

I think you're exagerating just a bit...
I also think you fail to mention the BroncTrolls that have helped caused some of the reactions you mention....

EDIT: I'm not suggesting that you are a troll... or that all of the Bronco fans that showed up here in the last few days are trolls... but in all fairness, you have to admit, there have been several trolls spotted recently....
 
Hoofbeats said:
No argument there...Jason is good, though I'd not put him as one of the best anymore. He's close though. Lepsis is our best pass blocker up front. That will be a key matchup.
Matt Lepsis held six pro-bowl Defensive ends without a sack last season. I think he gave up two all season. We were second lowest for sacks allowed.
 
Kaylore said:
This thread sums up this experience on this board. I would say its typically gone like this: Dolphin fan makes a claim, Bronco fan responds, Dolphin fans attack Bronco team in every conceivable way. Bronco fans spend next five pages of thread defending it. I haven't seen a single decent take from the 'fin fans on this thread.

If we follow all your logic, it looks something like this:

Shanahan is overrated and sucks.

Him picking Maurice Clarret with a comped third means he's dumb and therefor will lose the game on Sunday

Jake Plummer sucks and will throw at least 2 interceptions in the game.

The Broncos D line sucks and can't stop anything.

The Broncos linebackers are too small.

Champ Bailey sucks.

The other corners also suck

John Lynch is too slow. He sucks too.

The Broncos receivers suck

Ronnie Brown will run all over the Broncos suck defense

No one can score on the Dolphins' Defense

The Dolphins O-line woes will magically be gone come Sunday

Dolphins will blowout Denver this Sunday.

Generally every other Bronco poster, even the smack talking ones, see it as a close game. You guys keep saying we aren't giving you any credit but its been all you guys dissing the Broncos the whole time. I feel a little bit of Karma coming around the corner.

The guy who started this thread doesn't think it will be close. BTW I think you're an example that the other Bronco fans should follow, but if you don't like the experience you or you fellow fans are having I have to ask why you're still here.
 
Kaylore said:
Matt Lepsis held six pro-bowl Defensive ends without a sack last season. I think he gave up two all season. We were second lowest for sacks allowed.
Correct. This will be a key battle.
 
ether79 said:
The guy who started this thread doesn't think it will be close. BTW I think you're an example that the other Bronco fans should follow, but if you don't like the experience you or you fellow fans are having I have to ask why you're still here.

:yeahthat:
 
ether79 said:
The guy who started this thread doesn't think it will be close. BTW I think you're an example that the other Bronco fans should follow, but if you don't like the experience you or you fellow fans are having I have to ask why you're still here.
Because its hilarious and I want to see how you all react after the game on Sunday.
 
ether79 said:
The guy who started this thread doesn't think it will be close. BTW I think you're an example that the other Bronco fans should follow, but if you don't like the experience you or you fellow fans are having I have to ask why you're still here.
That's right I don't think it's close, but at least I stated WHY I don't think so. That's not being a troll. As for the way I'm being treated...I have no problem with it. You guys are pretty decent so far. As I said...here are trolls:

http://www.raiderfans.net/

Once you've seen that mess...everythng else looks pretty tame...:rofl3: :rofl3: :rofl3:
 
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