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Five reason why the Dolphins will be better than the NY Jets

nyjunc said:
:lol::lol: Moore is great when he doesn't have pressure to win, he'd melt here.



It's all a joke, I really believe the jets suck and that Matt Moore is the greatest. I understand you don't need quality QB play to win and the Jets win in spite of bad QB play b/c it's so easy to do that.

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Kinda like Sanchez...
 
nyjunc said:
exactly the same, Mark has helped his team reach 2 title games, winning 4 road playoff games while matt has never been close to a playoff game. Eerily similar.
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Cause Sanchez was the catalist for all that... Do not be blinded.. The Jets won in SPITE of Sanchez, not because of him.
 
dolpns13 said:
Cause Sanchez was the catalist for all that... Do not be blinded.. The Jets won in SPITE of Sanchez, not because of him.
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as we know it is so easy to win w/ poor QB play especially back to back seasons.
 
nyjunc said:
as we know it is so easy to win w/ poor QB play especially back to back seasons.
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when will you stop using back to back AFC Divisonal round wins as your literal only argument almost every single time you post and try to make a point, i honestly dont know if you would post on here or prob have 5,000 less posts if they Jets didnt do that, move on, get over it, nobody cares, its a new season, none of that repetitive same argument you make eevrytime matter anymore, as you can see from last season
 
nyjunc said:
as we know it is so easy to win w/ poor QB play especially back to back seasons.
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The Jets proved all you need is a great defense and a runningback not named Shonn Green.

2009 Sanchez had a QB rating of 63.. Far below average.. Proves Jets won IN SPITE of Sanchez
2010 Sanchez had a QB rating of 75.. Below average.. Proves Jets won IN SPITE of Sanchez
 
NYPhin24 said:
when will you stop using back to back AFC Divisonal round wins as your literal only argument almost every single time you post and try to make a point, i honestly dont know if you would post on here or prob have 5,000 less posts if they Jets didnt do that, move on, get over it, nobody cares, its a new season, none of that repetitive same argument you make eevrytime matter anymore, as you can see from last season
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why shouldn't I use them? In 2 of Sanchez's 3 years he's started in AFC Championship Games- that is a BIG deal. That doesn't happen when you have poor QB play.

For some reason you guys want me to ignore it, I wonder why?
 
dolpns13 said:
The Jets proved all you need is a great defense and a runningback not named Shonn Green.

2009 Sanchez had a QB rating of 63.. Far below average.. Proves Jets won IN SPITE of Sanchez
2010 Sanchez had a QB rating of 75.. Below average.. Proves Jets won IN SPITE of Sanchez
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QB rating:lol2::lol2:

what's his QB rating in postseason? that doesn't count, right?

QB rating doesn't tell the story either way, you should know that by now. I bet you were excited to get Daunte Culpepper and his gerat QB rating.
 
NYPhin24 said:
when will you stop using back to back AFC Divisonal round wins as your literal only argument almost every single time you post and try to make a point, i honestly dont know if you would post on here or prob have 5,000 less posts if they Jets didnt do that, move on, get over it, nobody cares, its a new season, none of that repetitive same argument you make eevrytime matter anymore, as you can see from last season
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It would be very interesting to see the viewpoint say in 2008 when the back-to-backs hadn't occurred yet
 
nyjunc said:
:lol::lol: Sanchez is the 2nd best QB in the division, Chad henne will have a hard time beating out Blaine Gabbert, he would have had no shot here which is a reason he didn't come here even though we wanted him as a back up.
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:lol2: Milk just shot from both nostrils! You're so funny junc!

I'd like to formally nominate junc here for best comedic poster in 2012. He's like Jay Mohr minus the football IQ!

Oh wait up... You were serious? Oh jeeze, this is embarassing :tumbleweed:
 
PhinzN703 said:
It would be very interesting to see the viewpoint say in 2008 when the back-to-backs hadn't occurred yet
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he would reference the 98' title game loss to the Broncos, and somehow even back then it was Sanchez as a 10 year old who led the Jets to that game, and it was Shottenheimers fault they lost

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nyjunc said:
why shouldn't I use them? In 2 of Sanchez's 3 years he's started in AFC Championship Games- that is a BIG deal. That doesn't happen when you have poor QB play.

For some reason you guys want me to ignore it, I wonder why?[/QUOTE]

because it was 2 seasons ago and has ZERO affect on the 2012 season just like it had ZERO affect on their 2011 season as they went from 11-5 to 8-8, so it is completely irrelvant to anything the Jets do now
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nyjunc said:
I never said he didn't have any input but he wasn't in charge, Mike McCarthy ran that show and still runs that show. GB will have a great offense this year w/o Philbin.

Philbin may turn out to be a GREAT HC, I don't know? but to listen to dolphin fans credit him w/ GB's success on O makes me laugh.

I also have no idea what to expect from Sparano but it's silly to take all credit from him for his time in dallas and credit Philbin for GB. We'll see what happens, they both could be great, they bouth could suck, etc...
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Seriously, you need to stop with your sillyness. A case can be made, not only that Philbin was more respected and in demand as a HC, but also actually made more of a difference as an offensive coordinator than Rex did as a defensive one. Pts Scored Rank: 2005: Rossley: 22nd, 2006: Jagozinski: 22nd, 2007, Philbin 6th, 2008 Philbin: 5th, 2009 Philbin 3rd, 2010: Philbin, 10th, 2011 Philbin: 1st plus a conference title and SB.;

Compare that to the Ravens: total points allowed: 2003,2004 Nolan 6th, and 6th, 2005 Ryan: 10th, 2006 Ryan 1st, 2007 Ryan 22nd, 2008 Ryan 3rd (avg during Ryan's DC tenure: 9th best D), 2009: Mattison 3d, 2010 Mattison 3rd, 2011 Pagano 3rd. So as you can see, unlike Philbin who made a major difference Rex didn't add too much and if anything the D improved after he left.

Now in general:
You really can't be typing this **** with a straight face:

First: Sparano called the plays but since 2/3rds of the yardage were through the air, he was calling the plays designed, planned and practiced by Todd Haley and his group of receivers. Of course he had Julius Jones and Barber combining for over 1700 yds and Witten, Crayton, TO and Terry Glenn combining for 3500 yds with Bledsoe and then Romo throwing to them. This season, there's nothing close to any of those tools at Tony's disposal. Obviously the Jones believed he could have done better with what he had to work with or else he wouldn't have been relieved of playcalling responsibilities in 2007.

2nd: you really need to stop the BS about Philbin if you don't want the same or more persuasive arguments back about Rex who you were championing when he was hired.

Philbin designed, planned, practiced and executed one of the most prolific offensive juggernauts in the last decade at least. The plays were his, the players were trained by him, the assortment of plays handed to McCarthy for 2-3 hours on Sundays were all Philbin's. Philbin as the OC, unlike Rex in any capacity actually made it more than 2 wins into the playoffs winning a legitimate SB.

Beyond that, probably the greatest QB today is on record as attributing much of not just his personal, but his professional development and success to Philbin. Compare that to Rex who had little to do, as the line coach with the early prodigious development of the Ravens defensive greats: Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs and/or Ed Reed. Rex was along for the ride.

Finally, how can you try to smear Philbin when empirically he's a lot more ready and likely qualified to step up to HC than was Rex. I'd take McCarthy and Rodgers opinion seriously. But then again I would take those of Ozzie Smith and Thomas Dimitroff also. Ozzie one of the great GMs in the league who knew Rex best and probably respected hi s defensive acumen was willing to risk losing him than to entrust the team to him, instead going outside to hire a position coach over his own DC. And then there's Atlanta, who rejected Rex and instead hired another DC, Mike Smith, from Jacksonville's less prolific defense. When it comes to savvy front office people's confidence in Rex (not bean counting recycled capologists), you really don't need a compas to connect the dots. Now you can argue that the insiders already knew Rex to be an immoral buffoon lacking any modicum of self-control who lasciviously loved to jack off while watching strangers with big tools invade his wife.. but I think it was more than just that.

So on one hand you've got a guy who authored an offense that was every bit as prolific as Rex's Ravens defense - if not more so, who actually played an integral role in developing the team's best player, unlike Rex who inherited the team's best defenders; someone most informed league sources opined ready to be the HC, unlike Rex who was repudiated by his own team and at least 2 others before the beancounter stepped up. So if you're gonna fling the absolutely BS about Philbin, you best admit that Rex was a much bigger hiring risk. One good 11-5 season sandwiched in between a 7-7+ 2 charity games and an 8-8 season does not necessarily make a good coach. That verdict is still out.

 
PhinzN703 said:
It would be very interesting to see the viewpoint say in 2008 when the back-to-backs hadn't occurred yet
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you do know I have been posting here since 2004, right? Go search through the archives. 2009 & 2010 are relevant, it's ok to bash my team but when I defend them it's not ok? explain to me how that works,



and now vaark chimes in to tell me how great Philbin is, I wonder if he gets as much credot developing Rodgers as Mike Sherman gets for developing Favre?


Rex called and ran his OWN defenses, he didn't have a coach calling everything. he wasn't riding anyone's coattails. The great Raven Defenses were w/ rex running the show, the great Packer O's were w/ McCarthy running the show. see the difference?

I am not smearing Philbin, just pointing out the fact that McCarthy ran that offense. Philbin could turn out to be a great HC but it's silly to proclaim greatness already just like I didn't w/ rex when you were talling me how great Sparano was going into 2009.
 
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