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Fixing A Hole In the Ocean- Dolphins Talent D & O

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A Reality Check on how many good players believe Miami has.

Dolphins defense has been substandard, unacceptable and disappointing and Dolphins agree | Schad. MIAMI GARDENS — The Dolphins are ranked 26th in scoring defense. Unacceptable. The Dolphins are ranked 27th in third-down defense and 25th in red zone defense.

Wilkins #9 DI is really good and Phillips # 6 was an elite edge. Baker #16 is a good LB and Holland will come back to be special. As far as top ranked players on D from last season on D that is all Miami has.

Hill and Waddle are elite WR's and C Williams and Hunt are very good. Add Armstead as half as he missed a third of snaps and could miss more.

That's it!!! Hard to see how that adds up to the playoffs.
 
So Be said:
A Reality Check on how many good players believe Miami has.

Dolphins defense has been substandard, unacceptable and disappointing and Dolphins agree | Schad. MIAMI GARDENS — The Dolphins are ranked 26th in scoring defense. Unacceptable. The Dolphins are ranked 27th in third-down defense and 25th in red zone defense.

Wilkins #9 DI is really good and Phillips # 6 was an elite edge. Baker #16 is a good LB and Holland will come back to be special. As far as top ranked players on D from last season on D that is all Miami has.

Hill and Waddle are elite WR's and C Williams and Hunt are very good. Add Armstead as half as he missed a third of snaps and could miss more.

That's it!!! Hard to see how that adds up to the playoffs.
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It did add up to the playoffs
you can’t be elite at every position, 4-5 on each side of the ball is enough. Having depth and good role players is just as important
 
The good news is that we have McD and now Fangio to right this ship. Uphill battle on D with a new scheme much different than was here.

He is "likely" looking for two tackling machines at ILB and rush and cover outside, We have Baker and never played more than 2 LBs.

Zone heavy cover is opposite of what we did in press cover. Holland will do great and maybe McKinney F he can learn how to play the run.

Kader was #36 and our overall best at CB moving forward with an injured Needham second, neither are starting CBs.

Lit the games begin.
 
rent this space said:
It did add up to the playoffs
you can’t be elite at every position, 4-5 on each side of the ball is enough. Having depth and good role players is just as important
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OK but where did you see that many?
 
So Be said:
The good news is that we have McD and now Fangio to right this ship. Uphill battle on D with a new scheme much different than was here.

He is "likely" looking for two tackling machines at ILB and rush and cover outside, We have Baker and never played more than 2 LBs.

Zone heavy cover is opposite of what we did in press cover. Holland will do great and maybe McKinney F he can learn how to play the run.

Kader was #36 and our overall best at CB moving forward with an injured Needham second, neither are starting CBs.

Lit the games begin.
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Considering Kohou is our 4th string CB and off the street and was ranked 22nd as of December, I would call that depth. Our two starting CBs were hurt.
 
No we don’t have a perfect roster.......we have some work to do but we do have playmakers on offense and defense....just need to fill out the role spots and depth and get a real number one TE
 
E30M3 said:
Right? Holland, Phillips, Wilkins, Rowe, Brandon Jones, Chubb. We have a lot of good pieces to work with here. Much better setup than most teams.
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Wait, you're not calling Rowe elite, are you?.....and he's a free agent that most likely won’t be back but I agree on the others
 
So Be said:
A Reality Check on how many good players believe Miami has.

Dolphins defense has been substandard, unacceptable and disappointing and Dolphins agree | Schad. MIAMI GARDENS — The Dolphins are ranked 26th in scoring defense. Unacceptable. The Dolphins are ranked 27th in third-down defense and 25th in red zone defense.

Wilkins #9 DI is really good and Phillips # 6 was an elite edge. Baker #16 is a good LB and Holland will come back to be special. As far as top ranked players on D from last season on D that is all Miami has.

Hill and Waddle are elite WR's and C Williams and Hunt are very good. Add Armstead as half as he missed a third of snaps and could miss more.

That's it!!! Hard to see how that adds up to the playoffs.
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First, teams seldom try to "fix a hole" when they have average or above starters. They may upgrade if a top player falls in their laps, but every team will be happy with a lot of average players. Thus, on D, Wilkins, Seiler, Chubb, JP, Baker, X, BrJones, Holland, Needham. That's the minimum. ByJones, Ogbah, KK, Trill . . . no one knows how they'll perform next season.
O is more unknown. I'd list TT, Armstead, Williams, Hunt, Hill, Waddle as average to above players. EZ and Jax, like it or not, are unknown.
And it won't surprise me if a few of Roberts, Rowe, Davis, Smythe, MG, Sherfield are back next year.
And, although many here, including me, are not fans of PFF, every team has starters ranked in the bottom quintile. No need to pretend a team with a few poor players can't get to the playoffs and beyond. Happens every year.
 
So Be said:
OK but where did you see that many?
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i posted this in the club the other day:

wilkins
phillips
chubb
holland
xman

are top-notch starters. that's 5.

brandon jones
seiler

are also very good.

that's 7 out of 11 starters that you don't have to do a thing about.

if you are only looking to upgrade at 4 spots, and improve depth and pass rush (as always), i think that is pretty damn good before the offseason even starts.
 
Danny said:
Wait, you're not calling Rowe elite, are you?.....and he's a free agent that most likely won’t be back but I agree on the others
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Not at all. Just good pieces to work with. I didn't mind Rowe. I thought he was progressing pretty well, especially in tackling. I was quite bitter with him in past years in that regard.
 
Playoff level these days is barely above midsection of the league. The tomfoolery is believing that you actually have a chance at that level. Meanwhile those teams that sneak into the playoffs hold multiplier odds of 50/1 or thereabouts to sweep 4 games. In other words, higher than you get in the futures odds during the offseason.

Obviously that says plenty about people who bet into those futures pools and somehow think they are waving around a bargain at 30/1.

We've got some nice pieces. I wasn't thrilled about Chubb at that rate. There's simply too much of a gab between legitimately explosive guys who can get around the corner in the NFL, and the wiry tough guys who took advantage of the completely different pocket-collapsing realities of the college game. Chubb and Chase Young are overdrafted examples of the latter.
 
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