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Former NFL quarterback on Tua Tagovailoa not knowing playbook: ‘That should never, ever happen’

This is the guy criticizing Tua : An UFA,
Hasselbeck was originally signed by the Buffalo Bills as an undrafted free agent in 2001 and he was signed to the Philadelphia Eagles practice squad in 2002 as a free agent.

In 2003, he was signed by the Washington Redskins, for which he spent two seasons as a backup quarterback. He entered the starting lineup in 2003 when then-starter Patrick Ramsey was injured. On December 7, 2003, he completed 13 of 19 passes for 154 yards in leading the Redskins to a 20–7 win over the New York Giants. He threw two touchdown passes and no interceptions in that game. The following week, he had the lowest possible single-game passer rating (0.0) in a 27–0 loss to the Dallas Cowboys. Hasselbeck was 6-for-26 (23 percent) for 57 yards with four interceptions.

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Etuoo33 said:
This is the guy criticizing Tua : An UFA,
Hasselbeck was originally signed by the Buffalo Bills as an undrafted free agent in 2001 and he was signed to the Philadelphia Eagles practice squad in 2002 as a free agent.

In 2003, he was signed by the Washington Redskins, for which he spent two seasons as a backup quarterback. He entered the starting lineup in 2003 when then-starter Patrick Ramsey was injured. On December 7, 2003, he completed 13 of 19 passes for 154 yards in leading the Redskins to a 20–7 win over the New York Giants. He threw two touchdown passes and no interceptions in that game. The following week, he had the lowest possible single-game passer rating (0.0) in a 27–0 loss to the Dallas Cowboys. Hasselbeck was 6-for-26 (23 percent) for 57 yards with four interceptions.

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And I can guarantee you he did not know the playbook his rookie year.
 
This guy is not even a "has been", he's a "never was"... This guy's opinion should be written on a toilet paper roll for consumption there in...
19 pages of argument from "fan's" over this POS's "opinion" Come on Training Camp.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
No it's NOT a fact.
He threw twice as many TDs as picks, posted a 6-3 record on a team coming off a 5-11 season, and had almost exactly the same numbers as Burrows, who everyone says had a great year (but Burrows couldn't win games). Tua had a better rookie season than Mahomes, Peyton, Rodgers, Josh Allen and all but a handful of others. He posted AS A ROOKIE a 87 quarterback rating, which Marino had a career rating of only 86. Could he have been better, maybe but add in no offseason, spending most of his time rehabbing and I can't imagine anyone realistically expecting better.
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First of all, it's BURROW, JOE BURROW! NOT BURROWS!

Second, comparing their record is laughable. Tua was not the reason we were winning most games. I'll give you the Arizona game. He played well in that one. Our defense was carrying us. Fitz bailed us out against the raiders. So please stop saying that his record was 6-3. Joke of an argument.

Third, better rookie year than Patrick Mahomes, Rodgers, Manning?? Two of the three didn't play! Mahomes threw 50 TD in year 2. Let's see if that happens. Rodgers didn't play until year 4! Comparing Tua to Manning is just laughable in every sense. He was and is considered the most polished QB to come in the draft over the last 40 years, and played for a monumentally bad team.

Your also taking that 87 rating way to seriously. Your rating will always be better when you're not taking chances down the field. 181 yards a game? Burrow 268. Answer this, would you take Tua over any of those guys?

I think the point the article makes is Tua could have learned the playbook better. Also, if he didn't know it, be quiet about it. Play the part. Be a leader that exudes confidence. Even if you don't know it well, don't show it.
 
Perspective is an interesting lens. Way back in high school, I would say I knew the material and was prepared for a test. I would regularly get between an A- to B. The top of the class always got an A. He would say he was struggling to know all the material. He would definitely say I did not know the material. I was barely competent. Knowing the playbook is a matter of perspective, and I definitely do not know the level of mastery required to pass Tua’s “know the playbook” test.
 
Soxfinatic said:
First of all, it's BURROW, JOE BURROW! NOT BURROWS!

Second, comparing their record is laughable. Tua was not the reason we were winning most games. I'll give you the Arizona game. He played well in that one. Our defense was carrying us. Fitz bailed us out against the raiders. So please stop saying that his record was 6-3. Joke of an argument.

Third, better rookie year than Patrick Mahomes, Rodgers, Manning?? Two of the three didn't play! Mahomes threw 50 TD in year 2. Let's see if that happens. Rodgers didn't play until year 4! Comparing Tua to Manning is just laughable in every sense. He was and is considered the most polished QB to come in the draft over the last 40 years, and played for a monumentally bad team.

Your also taking that 87 rating way to seriously. Your rating will always be better when you're not taking chances down the field. 181 yards a game? Burrow 268. Answer this, would you take Tua over any of those guys?

I think the point the article makes is Tua could have learned the playbook better. Also, if he didn't know it, be quiet about it. Play the part. Be a leader that exudes confidence. Even if you don't know it well, don't show it.
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To me its disingenuous one one hand to discredit wins when it comes to Tua while disqualifying losses when it comes to Watson's 4-12
 
I can’t blame Gailey for designing the playbook for Fitz, that’s the reason why he was hired in the first place, and with no offseason I don’t see how he could shift that quickly to Tuas skill set.

Just another reason why it wasn’t a good idea to insert Tua last year imo.
 
rent this space said:
I found the page with the original list. It includes numbers for the rest of the league. Click on the advanced passing tab

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Awesome, these are much more informative statistics. Thanks @rent this space , you rock!

Looking at that referenced page, using the Advanced Passing Tab as suggested, and then filtering for 100 minimum passes (to eliminate outliers with too few passes whose stats look incorrectly good and skew the stats), we see these two statistics for accuracy jump out:

1. Tua is ranked 6th for Catchable Percentage
This is the crux of accuracy. A QB's job is to put the ball where his receiver has a CHANCE to catch it but the defender does not. Even if it's not a perfect pass, at that point the offense can win the play it just depends on the skill of your receivers to convert it. By comparison Fitz is ranked at 26th by this analysis ... seems off to me, but if correct it shows where/how Fitz was throwing deeper and tougher throws, but not always accurately.

2. Tua is ranked 34th for On Target Percentage
This is less of a concern than it appears at first blush for two reasons--he's a rookie and everything is new and coming at him hella-fast, so as the game slows down for him, he can tighten this up; and also because he was rehabbing that hip robbing him of the velocity to confidently whistle that ball in there precisely where he wants it, and as the hip fully heals and his confidence in it returns, this will improve naturally. By comparison Fitz ranked 18th, so despite his significantly higher YPA, Fitz was able to fit the ball into tight windows even further down the field.

So seeing these we can surmise that Tua is making the right decisions on each throw to give his WR a chance, but not yet precise enough make it a great throw. Part of that is reflected in Tua's reticence to make deeper throws, as evinced by his low YPA, but part of it is simply because Tua makes good decisions. I did highlight that Tua was not a particularly precise thrower before we drafted him, but I'm confident that as he heals and works on his chemistry/timing with these receivers this will tighten up rather quickly. Taken together, these statistics suggest that Tua is indeed poised for a significant sophomore jump, as we're all hoping to see.

Thanks again @rent this space for finding and delving into these stats to help us better understand Tua's rookie season. They definitely give me hope for the future.
 
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