dob72 said:lol yea ok
1 playoff appearance since 2001(w/ an 8-8 record) in a weak div and conf.- yeah he's a winner!
dob72 said:lol yea ok
nyjunc said:If you think Allen is better than madison(even a declining madison) then you haven't watched Allen play. Neither is very good at this point but Sam is still alot better.
Wagon Circler said:I was quite pleased with our draft. All the players we drafted filled obvious needs and we got some real good talent.
It doesn't matter to me that the goons at espn chose the bills to do a "what were they thinking" on. I'll tell you what we were thinking...fix the defense and grab some O-line. I'll tell you what we weren't thinking...."Boy I wonder if Mel Kiper will think this pick is a reach?"
Listen, I know more about my bills and our team needs a lot better than Mr. Mel Kiper, or Sean Salisbery, or Mike Golic, or Mark Schlerith, or Trey Wingo. So I'm not about to let those fools or any other divisional fan tell me what we need or what was a reach. Dwight Freeney was considered a big reach when Indy took him a while ago, look how that worked out for them.
Sorry draft grades and gurus aren't end all be all. I loved Marv's first draft and I'm still counting my lucky stars we got him back. Afterall, the bills could have went through another TD draft...
No. I post here and on BZ.FinfanInBuffalo said:Are you the same wagoncircler that is posting on the Buffalo Range?
MillerTime said:exactly, we got the right guys for our cover 2 defense, it calls for quick players and McCargo is real quick and same with Whitner(4.38). We got the guys we needed and the right guys for our system, I could care less where Mel Kiper had them going.
FinfanInBuffalo said:Sorry but I'll trust Nick Saban's judgement over yours in all football matters.....
BillsCA said:Keeping an objective mind on the draft, here's how bad it 'sucked' according to NFL.com writers...
and Kiper said Hagan was the best WR in the draft, we got the best safety and the best WR in the draft. not bad at allPatsSuck456 said:Dr.Z also said Allen was the best safety in the draft.
Yeah, because if Mel Kiper says so then it must be true.nick1 said:and Kiper said Hagan was the best WR in the draft, we got the best safety and the best WR in the draft. not bad at all
Wagon Circler said:Yeah, because if Mel Kiper says so then it must be true.
Please. Whitner at 8 was fine. Our guys didn't want to watch him go a few spots later and miss him. I'm fine with it and support the decision.
Then everybody talks about the "reach" in McCargo even though the Giants probably would have gone for him at 32, but were forced to take the end instead.
Want to know what else Kiper said? If we had gotten Youboty in the second and McCargo in the third nobody would be saying ****. We would still have the same damn players but it would have "looked better".
We got the players we wanted. Simple as that.
Maybe in a perfect world. it takes two teams to trade down.FinfanInBuffalo said:????
So IF Houston had taken David Anderson with the 1st pick, and Mario Williams with the 251st pick, that would make taking David Anderson at #1 okay?????
WTF kind of logic is that?
Whitner at #8 was a reach. This is what happens when a rookie GM falls in love with one player. The #8 pick was worth at least a pick at 15 and a second round pick to go with it. IMO, Whitner would still have been there. The Bills get a pick, pay him less money, and lose nothing.
If not, Allen would have been there. The question is whether Allen + another good player would be worth more than Whitner. IMO, yes.
The Bills should have gotten Whitner, McCargo, another 2nd round pick, and another 3rd round pick. The team has way too many holes to lock on to two players in a deep draft. Very poor strategy. If concern over the lack of DTs was so big, they should have drafted Bunkley first and gotten a safety later. Levy panicked. The team needs help at LB, OL, QB, and WR. Their pass rush is a mess. They have no one who can get to the passer at crunchtime without blitzing. A pass rushing DE would have helped.
The irony is that I could probably find 100 posts by Bills fans claiming that taking Eddie Moore in the 2nd was a reach. They even argued that even if he works out, it wouldn't matter because he would have been available later.
You got the players you wanted, but missed out on two more. It's as simple as that.