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Greedy...I dont think so.

kbeath said:
Why are all these players that are holding out considered Greedy?:confused: We all want all the money we bring to our respective companies not a cent less but when its a pro athlete than its GREED. :shakeno: I keep hearing "respect your contract" that is funny I dont remember too many contracts that the teams keep. They are always cutting people to free up salary cap space and to stop from paying all the money from the back loaded contract. FOOTBALL CONTRACTS ARE NOT GUARENTEED. Only the signing bonuses. TO may be a jerk but come on the guy is getting paid like the 10th best WR in the league when you are lying if you think you can name 3 better. Same thing goes for Walker as far as getting what your worth. Like it or not these players bring millions of dollars in revenue for there teams and the city they live in. It is unfair to throw the lable GREEDY around. If we were the 10th highest paid employeer for a company we were the absolute most productive worker at, we would all be Pissed! So isnt all this GREEDY stuff HYPOCRITICAL!:fire:
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I'm sure someone else has written this but...it's considered greedy becuase the majority of america doesn't make multiple millions of dollars and then ask for more. Most people figure that you can live the rest of your life on 1 million, let alone multiple millions.

As a football "fan" I get frustrated when players don't honor a contract. As a football "realist" I think the players should try to get as much as they can. The main thing to me...as I've gotten old (and hopefully wiser) I've realized that if a NFL team doesn't have to "honor" a contract and can cut a player at any time...then why do players? Players are the ones who actually DO the job and then when they retire can look forward to multiple health problems. Hey, don't get me wrong...this is what the players "choose" to do...I'm not crying for them but I've begun to understand their rationale for wanting more money. But as a fan, all I can think of is that they are greedy and every time they want more money, it's money the team can't spend on bringing or keeping another player that might help us win.
 
Ohio Fanatic said:
That isn't life. In many companies, like mine-Procter and Gamble-50 billion dollar a year company-if you're responsible for generating something that makes the company 500 million dollars, you can't go in and ask for a raise the next day, even if you're the stud of the division. The company pays you to do all you can to be productive as possible. The company doesn't owe you squat. What any decent company will do is realize your productivity and weigh it in for salaray increases and quick promotions. Some companies will give extra stock options for high productivity.

If you came into my office and asked for an immediate pay raise, especially if you were already making damn good money, well, it wouldn't be pretty.
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And if I knew there were 31 other companies out there wanting my services I will tell ya to stick it. This is supply and demand. If I know there is a bigger demand for my services than I am being supplied for, I will go elsewhere. Simple as that.
 
pwn3dyo said:
haha, how can anyone defend TO? The man gets traded from SF to BAL. Then he goes to Philly where he made it publicily clear he wanted to go. He signed a contract that pays extremely well (just not the VERY best). its all good when they are losing. Then after they lose in the superbowl he goes to the media to imply that mcnabb wasnt trying hard enough during the superbowl. THEN he holds out, and claims he needs to feed his family. He should be shot. I would laugh.
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Look, nobody is saying TO is anything more than a snake. I for one am not taking up for him per say. I am just saying players that hold out for more money are no more in the wrong than owners who make contracts and know from the time they make them, they are not going to pay the last 2 years of it. I think TO is a punk for what he said about Mcnabb but that is a different issue.
 
Phineas64 said:
Renogotiate, yes.

Hold out, no.

If you sign it, you should show up for work. These guys want the long term security, but want to hold out for more money every time they have a good season. They should sign a 2 or 3 year deal. I don't see them asking for a pay cut after a bad year.
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No?? They don't have to ask for that pay cut. The owners will give it to them whether they ask for it or not. The owners make players take pay cuts all the time, even when they don't have bad years. Look at Troy Brown for the Pats. He played WR, then when they had trouble at CB he tried his best there as well. He played both ways for most of the year and didn't ask for a raise. How was he rewarded?? They cut his a$$. It works both ways. The owners won't live by the agreement. Why should the players??
 
mfja9977 said:
If TO wanted more money then he should have worked that out before he signed on the dotted line. I am supposed to feel sorry for a player that makes more money is one or two years that I would make in 20yrs? I don't think so. They signed the contract. Play it out. You are right that they don't have Guaranteed contracts, only the signing bonus. With the size of the signing bonuses, it doesn't matter. Anyway they should not sit out. Holding out is like a two year old who throws a temper tantrum because they don't get their way.
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hes not saying that...obviously hes not saying u should feel sorry for him cause he make more money than me or you. for ex. if u were an employee and were doing so well and knew you should get a raise even though u already agreed to your slarary wouildn u think or hope that u would get it? i would. i think taht football players are overpayed but for what they are gettign paid and how much our society wants or decides to pay them they will take it. its a matter of job performance and the "average salary" of that job. TO is the best, therefore he should get payed like the best. its not the money its the performance, respectively
 
He said he needs to feed his family like he cant do that with the money he has been making since he was in the league!!!:shakeno: and like someone else also said what happens when he has a bad or off year, would he be mad if the coach/owner told him he must restructure his contract then b/c he was overrated based off his contract and the money???
 
PhinSoldia said:
no TO wanted to be put in the driver seat of an offense....he knows how bad the eagles need him....it was different in san fran...they were rebuilding...and he could have been a casualty at any given time. so he left...where he know they NEEDED a WR like him. So now he is in the driver sea...and he wont budge because McNabb absolutely needs him
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Interesting. McNabb and the Eagles make the NFC Championship game 3 seasons in a row without TO. Then they get TO and he gets hurt. The team still is very strong and just as good. They go into the Playoffs and dominate 2 straight games without him to get to the SB.

Tell me again why the Eagles need TO so badly?
 
TO is just, plain and simple a greedy cry baby.

Him and Javon Walker's situation are completely different.

Those that still say that 7-8 million difference is just the same as 6-7 an hour are just plain absurd. If you can't see that you never will.
 
TARHEEL38 said:
Look, nobody is saying TO is anything more than a snake. I for one am not taking up for him per say. I am just saying players that hold out for more money are no more in the wrong than owners who make contracts and know from the time they make them, they are not going to pay the last 2 years of it. I think TO is a punk for what he said about Mcnabb but that is a different issue.
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I agree some holdouts are called for. Javon Walker,Ogunleye etc...I personally wouldn't be upset if McMichael held out, but he already stated he wouldnt. That is a reasonable situation. The guy was begging to go to philly. He finally got his wish then he holds out after one year. thats BS.
 
Noodle Arm said:
Isn't Sean Taylor holding out for a new contract after being in the league for ONE YEAR?! (At least that's what Drew made it seem lke during Sports Xtra)
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Yes he is holding out along with Javon Walker, T.O, Anquan Bolden, and others. Sean Taylor holding out is the dumbest thing I have ever herd of. What has he possibly done for him to deserve getting a new contract? Nothing! He's making an *** out of himself because he's listening to legal advice of the biggest ******* in football ( Drew Rosenhaus). I think most of the players that are holding out are all gready and need to stop acting like two year olds.
 
pwn3dyo said:
I agree some holdouts are called for. Javon Walker,Ogunleye etc...I personally wouldn't be upset if McMichael held out, but he already stated he wouldnt. That is a reasonable situation. The guy was begging to go to philly. He finally got his wish then he holds out after one year. thats BS.
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Walker's holdout is no more justified than TOs. Walker agreed to his contract and has had 1 very good year. If he performs at a high level through the remainder of his contract he will get his money.

Ogunleye was not under contract. He had completed his contract and was a restricted free agent. His holdout was because he didnt like the new contract the Dolphins were offering.
 
I don't think the players that are vastly underpaid like guys like walker and mcmichael are greedy if they want more money. I think it's only fare for a player to get market value for what he is worth a contract. When a guy like TO who just aggreed to his contract after coming off solid season how does his worth increase? He is already getting paid as a top 3 WR and at that point you should be happy with your salary and focus purely on the field. I don't mind when guys are getting underpaid and wan't to make money for what there worth. But TO is already making the money he is worth.
 
"I don't think the players that are vastly underpaid like guys like walker and mcmichael are greedy if they want more money. I think it's only fare for a player to get market value for what he is worth a contract. :confused: When a guy like TO who just aggreed to his contract after coming off solid season how does his worth increase? He is already getting paid as a top 3 WR and at that point you should be happy with your salary and focus purely on the field. I don't mind when guys are getting underpaid and wan't to make money for what there worth. But TO is already making the money he is worth."

He is getting paid as a top ten not top 3, and what you said makes no sense considering Market Value for TO is the highest of any reciever except Moss and he has alot less off the field issues than Moss. IE no arrests!
 
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