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Greg Cote: Tannehill doesn’t need to be great — just consistently good

Just curious, how did Steve Young do in Tampa and Farve do in Atlanta......or how did Cassel do after leaving NE or Flynn do after leaving the Packers? Yep, it's all the QB though it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the team. LMAO!

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The lack of actual football knowledge on here is mind boggling sometimes.

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Another post I am done with!

Better yet, how's Foles doing in his 2nd year in Philly with even more weapons than we have? 81.7 QB rating, 6 TDs, 4 INTs, 58% completion percentage. And Tannehill? 81.2 QB rating, 6 TDs, 3 INTs, 60% completion percentage. And that's the guy who's got a whole extra year in this offense and pretty much embarrassed the league last year. So that makes me feel a lot better about Tannehill's struggles with consistency this year.
 
ur not going to see wrs have awesome seasons without good qb play, the qb opens up everything.

2013 NFL leader in receptions: Pierre Garcon: 113. QB - RGIII, Kirk Cousins

2013 NFL leader in yards: Josh Gordon: 1646. QB - Jason Campbell, Brandon Weedon, Brian Hoyer
 
Why Melty Ice is relevant to WV's OCD-fixated "critiques" on Tannehill.. and to anyone else who's still pissing and moaning about not taking the choker.

It's about credibility. Every time Melty Ice has had an opportunity to extend a postseason, he's crapped the bed big time. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but 6 times going back to being shut out in the second half of the ACC title game vs VT - a team he beat during the season. Does that sound familiar? With Melty, almost no lead is safe. And that includes the 20-0 lead vs Seattle in 12 he took into the second half and ended up having to "come from behind" on a good Gonzalez effort to set up a field goal (I believe.). Going back to the VT game, and then forward, he's been offensively shut out in one game and in 8 of the final 12 third and fourth quarters he's played. And that's with elite receivers and the greatest of all time Tight End! He's put up mid 70sQBR, 2TD, 1 Int, and an avg 105/avg yds cumulatively for his second halfs. Of the 140 QBs who have won at least 1 playoff game in history, he ranks 140 out of 140.

Why does he have a Tannehill equivalent approx .425 winning percentage vs playoff teams in-season, yet has won 1 out of 5 NFL postseason games (.200)?? Here's the reason, he's a choker. His testicles do not descend when he knows it's win or go home. He's no Flacco (who would have been a better trade down or up cuz he actually rises to the occasion time and again.). Sorry, but when Melty does so well in season with his elite weapons but tanks so badly especially by being outscored by only 6 points in 5 playoff first halfs but over 80 in those same 5 second halfs, it's not an anomaly but instead the reality! The first time he does better than producing 10 points in a 2nd half will be the first time... and still must be considered the anomaly (if it ever does happen!)

Now, if WV was as "objective" over his admitted fanboyism over Melty, he would admit that there's something serious lacking between his ears and legs instead of declaring "he's a winner." And that's the crux of it. If he can't admit what as obvious as the nose on his face because of his fandom, it discredits any opinions he might have on other QBs as subjective, including Tannehill. So anytime he goes off which is often, he needs to be reminded how oblivious and damn disingenuous he is when it comes to Melty Ice. And anyone who thinks that the "Blue Ball QB" who couldn't succeed with elite weapons would have thrived in the 08-12 version of the Fins, well hell, I've got some commercially-zoned swampland in the Everglades I can sell you cheap before the first building wave gooses up land value.

Now there's nothing wrong with being a fanboy. I'm one too when it comes to Aaron Rodgers and I curse another one of his favorites, the inept HC and de facto GM liar and quitter, every time I watch Aaron perform miracles because it not for the love of the SEC, a part time running back and thinking that a QB best known for banging his head against concrete walls could be our future, any arguments about who we should have taken afterwards or the QBs we have would have been blissfully moot.
 
Cote is correct. Many of us have been shouting this from the roof tops. Yes ... WV included.

I really don't see what there is to argue about. Tannehill is terribly inconsistent. If you believe he has only played well in 1 or 2 games this season, we're looking at 25% TO 50% of the time. That's simply not going to cut it. The problem is, if you look back at his career to date, I bet the ratio is about the same, or worse.

A team can not be successful when their QB is consistent 50% of the time. That, by definition is inconsistent ... unless of course you want to maintain that he's consistently inconsistent, in which case you may have a valid point.

The bottom line is that for Tannehill to be good enough to consistently win games, he has to play consistently well, a consistent amount of the time - a feat that thus far has eluded him. This really is as simple as it gets.

He's had 13 good games out of 35 starts, which is not good relative to the top QBs of the league. But its not bad when compared to a lot of successful QBs over their first 35 starts.

The great Matt Ryan had 14 good games of his first 32 starts as an example.
 
I have to laugh so hard at people who obsess on Tannehill being "consistent" as if a QB can be consistent with radically inconsistent and low-level stuff around him: poor OL play, bad RBs missing blocks and assignments, WRs dropping passes, etc. As if a raw QB can be "consistent" with zero big-time development at the NFL level, lol.

The magical "consistency" is an illusion that gives non-football minds a buzzword as if they're someone in possession of real knowledge, lol.

If a receiving corps leads the league in drops is it "consistent?" And yet where is WV calling for the head of poor quality, inconsistent WRs? lol

Is an OL "consistent" if it gives up tough pressures and hits, allows the pocket to be collapsed on key plays?

Is a RB "consistent" if he misses an assignment, forgets a play or misses a hole?

Is a TE "consistent" if he drops key passes and totally whiffs on a block, causing the RB/WR to get blown up?

Etc. Etc. Etc.

People who attack Tannehill w. "consistency" after a nice game are just passive-aggressive fools. As if Tanny doesn't sparkle every game that the OL and WRs play 'consistent.'

smh.

LD
 
Why Melty Ice is relevant to WV's OCD-fixated "critiques" on Tannehill.. and to anyone else who's still pissing and moaning about not taking the choker.

It's about credibility. Every time Melty Ice has had an opportunity to extend a postseason, he's crapped the bed big time. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but 6 times going back to being shut out in the second half of the ACC title game vs VT - a team he beat during the season. Does that sound familiar? With Melty, almost no lead is safe. And that includes the 20-0 lead vs Seattle in 12 he took into the second half and ended up having to "come from behind" on a good Gonzalez effort to set up a field goal (I believe.). Going back to the VT game, and then forward, he's been offensively shut out in one game and in 8 of the final 12 third and fourth quarters he's played. And that's with elite receivers and the greatest of all time Tight End! He's put up mid 70sQBR, 2TD, 1 Int, and an avg 105/avg yds cumulatively for his second halfs. Of the 140 QBs who have won at least 1 playoff game in history, he ranks 140 out of 140.

Why does he have a Tannehill equivalent approx .425 winning percentage vs playoff teams in-season, yet has won 1 out of 5 NFL postseason games (.200)?? Here's the reason, he's a choker. His testicles do not descend when he knows it's win or go home. He's no Flacco (who would have been a better trade down or up cuz he actually rises to the occasion time and again.). Sorry, but when Melty does so well in season with his elite weapons but tanks so badly especially by being outscored by only 6 points in 5 playoff first halfs but over 80 in those same 5 second halfs, it's not an anomaly but instead the reality! The first time he does better than producing 10 points in a 2nd half will be the first time... and still must be considered the anomaly (if it ever does happen!)

Now, if WV was as "objective" over his admitted fanboyism over Melty, he would admit that there's something serious lacking between his ears and legs instead of declaring "he's a winner." And that's the crux of it. If he can't admit what as obvious as the nose on his face because of his fandom, it discredits any opinions he might have on other QBs as subjective, including Tannehill. So anytime he goes off which is often, he needs to be reminded how oblivious and damn disingenuous he is when it comes to Melty Ice. And anyone who thinks that the "Blue Ball QB" who couldn't succeed with elite weapons would have thrived in the 08-12 version of the Fins, well hell, I've got some commercially-zoned swampland in the Everglades I can sell you cheap before the first building wave gooses up land value.

Now there's nothing wrong with being a fanboy. I'm one too when it comes to Aaron Rodgers and I curse another one of his favorites, the inept HC and de facto GM liar and quitter, every time I watch Aaron perform miracles because it not for the love of the SEC, a part time running back and thinking that a QB best known for banging his head against concrete walls could be our future, any arguments about who we should have taken afterwards or the QBs we have would have been blissfully moot.

Hey, take it easy on WV's hero Melty Ice.

Because Melty is CONSISTENT.

BIG TIME CONSISTENT.

He consistently fails even with the best tools around him, when facing highest level games.

WV loves consistency. And Melty is most the consistent playoff choker of all.

LD
 
Cote is correct. Many of us have been shouting this from the roof tops. Yes ... WV included.

I really don't see what there is to argue about. Tannehill is terribly inconsistent. If you believe he has only played well in 1 or 2 games this season, we're looking at 25% TO 50% of the time. That's simply not going to cut it. The problem is, if you look back at his career to date, I bet the ratio is about the same, or worse.

A team can not be successful when their QB is consistent 50% of the time. That, by definition is inconsistent ... unless of course you want to maintain that he's consistently inconsistent, in which case you may have a valid point.

The bottom line is that for Tannehill to be good enough to consistently win games, he has to play consistently well, a consistent amount of the time - a feat that thus far has eluded him. This really is as simple as it gets.

By the way, the same can be said for this coaching staff, WR's, OL, RB's and LB's.

That's the key part of this post.
 
Hey, take it easy on WV's hero Melty Ice.

Because Melty is CONSISTENT.

BIG TIME CONSISTENT.

He consistently fails even with the best tools around him, when facing highest level games.

WV loves consistency. And Melty is most the consistent playoff choker of all.

LD

It's pretty crazy at this point that all Tannehill performance type threads WV is mentioned in just about every one. Thing is, with his intense disdain for Tannehill I guess it makes sense. At this point though, if I didn't know any better, I'd say he cares more about proving his points than seeing the team win. Don't think that's the case but you'd have a hard time convincing other posters here that.

I want to see Tannehill succeed but, I'm not blind either. I love his toughness and professional approach to the game but I hate his boneheaded sacks and lapses in composure. He has the physical tools and grit but this year he needs to polish his other skills to stay around.
 
He is correct. Some of us have said this all along.

And yes, the stats should have been gaudy. They werent. They were in the first half.
This was Tannehill's best game as a pro. He will never have a monster game like the elite QBs do. Hell, Matt Moore has several games in his career with better numbers than Tannehill has ever had despite having more starts than Moore.

Soo much stupid in one post.
 
He's had 13 good games out of 35 starts, which is not good relative to the top QBs of the league. But its not bad when compared to a lot of successful QBs over their first 35 starts.

The great Matt Ryan had 14 good games of his first 32 starts as an example.

I don't care about Matt Ryan. I only care about Dolphin QB's. I don't compare Tannehill to anybody, I'm only interested in his play.
 
That's the key part of this post.

And you're the only one who has gotten the point. While this thread is about Tannehill, and he is the purpose of my post - we can't ignore the other inconsistent aspects of our game.
 
2013 NFL leader in receptions: Pierre Garcon: 113. QB - RGIII, Kirk Cousins

2013 NFL leader in yards: Josh Gordon: 1646. QB - Jason Campbell, Brandon Weedon, Brian Hoyer

Totally owned him. Too funny. He should slink away now, but I suspect he won't.
 
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