Greg Cote: Tannehill doesn’t need to be great — just consistently good

[FinfanInBuffalo]

That's the key part of this post.

It was the key part of the post and I wish everyone would understand that.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

wtf does this mean.

do you have mental ****ing problems? u seem like a very angry person, maybe u should get off the boards and get help.

its only when i am on finheaven that a few ppl seem to not understand that a team will go as the qb goes.

there will not be a season in which tannehill plays great and we miss the playoffs, i can gurantee u that. his first 2 seasons have been avg at best, that is why we finished with avg records.

its amazing i can speak to intelligent ppl at my office, friends who understand football, random ppl i meet at bars, or whereever, and not get so stressed talking about simple concepts of football, yet with u, u try to make everything so literal.

when/ if u read season previews for teams, what is the most talked about player on that team usually? is it the ****ing right guard, or is the qb, that will be main factor whether a team has success in a season or not?

obviously it goes without saying everything must click, but it starts at the top with the qb, why is that so ****ing hard to comprehend

Did you really say I seem like an angry person one sentence after swearing at me?

You have a bit of diarrhea of the mouth (or fingers) problem. Lots of irrelevant BS in your posts. Let me attempt to help you be more efficient in your arguments. Here is what you should have typed:

obviously it goes without saying everything must click

You're welcome.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

He's had 13 good games out of 35 starts, which is not good relative to the top QBs of the league. But its not bad when compared to a lot of successful QBs over their first 35 starts.

The great Matt Ryan had 14 good games of his first 32 starts as an example.

Good point and in addition, how many of those QB played behind the league's worst OLs?

One thing that is not talked about enough is the roster turnover in the last two seasons and the impact that has on the offense's consistency. Fans are clamoring for consistency from a young QB in a situation that has been anything but consistent. Here are the opening day starters on offense along with the HC and OC. I have bolded those that were different from the season before. This doesn't even include the mid-season hysterics from last season.

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[dolpns13]

Im not baised either way. I just want a QB who can ,at the minimum, not lose us games. I dont care if thats RT or someone else.

at least u r smart enough to comprehend if the qb plays well, like yesterday, we easily make the playoffs, unlike some other dude who whenever i bring up that simple concept, will always make it not about the qb, despite being by far the most important position on an nfl team, and will bring up everything else but.

 

[hoops]

how does this qb with 3 turnovers total thru 4 games lose you games??? hell thats a games worth for some starting qbs

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

Totally owned him. Too funny. He should slink away now, but I suspect he won't.

just curious how i was owned?

stats do not tell the entire story. great, they put up nice stats, but those teams did not get good enough consistent qb play throughout the year, hence the reason there teams records were ****ty.

i didnt think i needed to mention how every aspect on offense needs to click, but for u to sit here and deny that the qb is not more important than any other position, it makes u seem delusional.

yes, tannehill or any qb can not play 1 on 11, i get that, i didnt think i needed to state that, but at the same time, there is a reason why teams with good qbs, have had success over the long term, and its not because they have all pros at every position.

just take a look for example at the difference between the 2008 and 2009 vikings.

same all pro running back both years, same wrs, same tight end, same o line, same defensive players, but tavaris jackson was there qb. they go from a decent team at 10-6, to the following year 13-3, and nfc championship appearance.

my point is an top notch qb can make a major difference on a team.

to win a superbowl, yes, everything needs to pretty much be perfect, or peyton would prob have more than 1 ring, as would our guy marino have a ring.

However, there is no reason why behind ryan tannehill, with especially the way the division looks this year, we should not win this division with solid qb play, not even elite type qb play.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Every time Melty Ice has had an opportunity to extend a postseason, he's crapped the bed big time. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but 6 times

Nice. I like what you did there.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Cote is correct. Many of us have been shouting this from the roof tops. Yes ... WV included.

I really don't see what there is to argue about. Tannehill is terribly inconsistent. If you believe he has only played well in 1 or 2 games this season, we're looking at 25% TO 50% of the time. That's simply not going to cut it. The problem is, if you look back at his career to date, I bet the ratio is about the same, or worse.

A team can not be successful when their QB is consistent 50% of the time. That, by definition is inconsistent ... unless of course you want to maintain that he's consistently inconsistent, in which case you may have a valid point.

The bottom line is that for Tannehill to be good enough to consistently win games, he has to play consistently well, a consistent amount of the time - a feat that thus far has eluded him. This really is as simple as it gets.

By the way, the same can be said for this coaching staff, WR's, OL, RB's and LB's.

I agree with every point in this post, and I think it all comes back to one man. A man who isn't Ryan Tannehill. Just my $0.02.

 

[Dsteve]

He is correct. Some of us have said this all along.

And yes, the stats should have been gaudy. They werent. They were in the first half.

This was Tannehill's best game as a pro. He will never have a monster game like the elite QBs do. Hell, Matt Moore has several games in his career with better numbers than Tannehill has ever had despite having more starts than Moore.

Complete lie. I can say off hand that Moore may have thrown for over 300 yards twice I his career.

 

[Dsteve]

lol favre, u mean the qb who attempted 4 ****ing passes with the falcons? great point about his time with atlanta, big sample size.

this dolphin team is good enough to make the playoffs, the qb underachieving last year is what kept us out of the playoffs. u r just a ****ing apologist for poor qb play,

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u certainly r part of the lack of football knowledge on here.

If you're blaming the collapse last year on the quarterback and not the inept coaching staff, the horrendous O-Line that after Martin, who was a borderline NFL talent to begin with, left the team and your second best, overrated LG also departed, then you're clearly the one with a lack of football IQ. The line was horrible. Point blank, period. Hence we have an entire new line this year. I'm not saying Tannehill is the legit answer but you can't expect a raw qb to thrive and grow behind a garbage team. there's the rare exception in a HOF talent like Manning or even Luck at this point, but that's the exception, not the rule.

 

[phinfan40353]

I look fwd to seeing if RT can develop this season and be a long term answer for the franchise. We have to find out. If not…you turn the page. If he can be, then we can continue to build the team around him.

I concur 100% Hayden. Frankly, I would rather see Philbin and Tannehill get this figured out and overcome their weaknesses as opposed to starting over. I don't care who the QB is or Coach is at this point, I want this franchise to regain it's composure. Even if Philbin and Tannehill are just the beginnings of our journey to the SuperBowl, I can appreciate them on the field rebuilding our legacy and moving us forward in a winning way.

We need fan equity and player credibility restored to this franchise. Moving forward is the key. Enough tearing it down and continuing to drown in our own failure.

 

[Dsteve]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorMa01/gamelog/

Compared to numerous multi-td games and 300 plus yards passing performances.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00/gamelog/

Now tell me more about how Matt Moore, a career bum back up that got booted from two other teams, has had more big games than Tannehill.

 

[FinHopeful]

I look fwd to seeing if RT can develop this season and be a long term answer for the franchise. We have to find out. If not…you turn the page. If he can be, then we can continue to build the team around him.

I am looking forward to the rest of the season as well. I believe the new offense affecting QBs statement is convincing enough that I completely ignore the first six games. After that, the excuse runs out. My hope is he has turned the corner, but I am going to give him time.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

just curious how i was owned?

stats do not tell the entire story. great, they put up nice stats, but those teams did not get good enough consistent qb play throughout the year, hence the reason there teams records were ****ty.

i didnt think i needed to mention how every aspect on offense needs to click, but for u to sit here and deny that the qb is not more important than any other position, it makes u seem delusional.

yes, tannehill or any qb can not play 1 on 11, i get that, i didnt think i needed to state that, but at the same time, there is a reason why teams with good qbs, have had success over the long term, and its not because they have all pros at every position.

just take a look for example at the difference between the 2008 and 2009 vikings.

same all pro running back both years, same wrs, same tight end, same o line, same defensive players, but tavaris jackson was there qb. they go from a decent team at 10-6, to the following year 13-3, and nfc championship appearance.

my point is an top notch qb can make a major difference on a team.

to win a superbowl, yes, everything needs to pretty much be perfect, or peyton would prob have more than 1 ring, as would our guy marino have a ring.

However, there is no reason why behind ryan tannehill, with especially the way the division looks this year, we should not win this division with solid qb play, not even elite type qb play.

Deflecting and shifting the argument after being proven wrong. Please make it stop.

Straw man arguments. Please make it stop.

Diarrhea of the writing. Please make it stop.

 

[DuderinoN703]

well 1 of those qbs, whether it was just a scare tactic or the coach was seriously considering a change, was the one involved in that scare tactic to replace tanny, and the other qb has nothing whatsoever to do with miami.

whatever dude, i see ur a mod, i dont want any problems, if u want i will totally ignore ffib, truth is it would be better for myself to do so.

Speak your mind pal. Don't worry about my title here. Just be as civil as you can.

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IT STARTS WITH THE QB THOUGH. IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

when the qb plays well, its contagious. why do u think the colts with manning and pats with brady for all those years, and the pack with favre and rodgers, have all had success? it starts at the qb, ur right, everything needs to click, but the qb play is contagious.

ur not going to see wrs have awesome seasons without good qb play, the qb opens up everything.

In order with the QB to do well the OL needs to block and WRs need to get open and hang onto the ball. It's a total team effort.