Grimes impressed with Jarvis Landry

[Vaark]

Again...the greatest receiver in history was a 4.6 (Jerry Rice)...track 40 times is one of the worst errors in evaluation amatuer football evaluators make.

 

[spiketex]

When Grimes was asked about Rookies who have impressed, he mentions three. Jarvis (Landry), Walt (Aikens) and an unnamed UFA WR. I'm also interested who's the undrafted WR. He deliberately doesn't name him. The GM would be very proud of Grimes not giving anything away. However, if an undrafted rookie is looking very good, surely one of the local reporters would have noticed.
Who is he?

 

[Vol&dolfan]

Also: Landry = Team Captain @ LSU and High Character player.

You can also add that Landry was the MVP for LSU's 2013 season and not Odell Beckham who was drafted 12th overall ahead of Landry.

 

[LDaniel7]

Trying to get as excited as everyone else about this pick, but I just can't get there. We had many holes that needed to be filled and instead we picked a guy that really doesn't make our team any better. Even if he could beat out Gibson for the starting slot, (which he won't) Gibson was probably our best WR last year before getting hurt, so if you take Gibson off the field to add Landry it is at best a wash. Add to that we also have Mathews as a very good slot and the pick puts us in a position where we have 3 solid players, all with similiar skill sets playing the same position. None of the three have great speed, although Mathews is pretty fast, none have great height, although Gibson has proven to be good at catching around the GL.

Gibson proved to be a very good blocker, very aware, and great on 3rd downs. Mathews has the best run after catch. I think Landry has a real chance to be a solid 10 year player who is never a top 10 WR, but very reliable. I just don't see how our WR core got any more dynamic with Landry. As someone else mentioned I see a lot of Davone Bess in him. Better hands maybe but almost the exact speed. Both had a 4.55 as their best and both of their worst times were 4.79 and 4.80. I don't see any run after the catch translating to this level.

Some times you don't have anyone to trade down with and your player is gone so you just take the highest rated player on your board. If that is what happened in the draft then fine, we have even more depth down the road, but if this was our plan all along I have to question Hickey's opinion of our LBs. We have one starter at LB and two backups that are scheduled to start, while we have 2 starting caliber slot WRs and he decides to draft a 3rd and ignore the LBs until much later in the draft. Didn't like it then and hate it even more now.

Good question: Does Landry bring a DIMENSION to the team that the team already doesn't have? No. Slot/possession/blocking WR. We've got that in spades. Gibson. Matthews. Binns.

Would Miami have been better served w. a LB picked at this spot? Or a WR with actual NFL skills and KR/PR skills? Right now our options at KR/PR look like Thigpen (horrid) or some 4.6 plus WR. Really?

It's a great point raised. And this isn't hating on Landry. It's just when a team has this many holes at playmaker/skill/speed dimensions, to draft another possession/slot WR is kinda myopic.

Landry better outproduce what Gibson/Matthews/Binns could do or Miami is one again in draft hell. DESPERATELY in need of LBs and high-ceiling WRs and TEs.

LD

 

[LDaniel7]

Those players are essentially uncoverable one on one and get BETTER in the red zone NOT b.c. of their 40 times but because of other parts of their game.

To use those players as *proof* that 40 times do not matter, APPLYING such proof to slow-footed WRs on Miami who have pretty much ZERO of their others skills is.. um... er... logical dumb and dumber to and tree and fo, lol.

LD

 

[LDaniel7]

One big difference not mentioned thus far is that Bess shied away from contact. He routinely caught a pass for 8 yards when 10 was needed for a 1st down.

Landry likes contact and will be superior on rub/pick plays as two receivers cross because Landry can absorb the pick forcing the DB covering the other receiver to adjust and go around Landry.

Lazor uses that play to get guys open. It was a nice way to get the ball to Desean Jackson last year and it will be used to get the ball to Wallace and Gibson this year. So when you see hose guys wide open on a crossing pattern and you wonder where their DB is ... check to see if they are pissed off at Landry.

Also, Bess didn't block downfield, but Landry does. So, when we get chunk yardage we have a real shot to make the chunk substantially bigger..

That's a good point. So maybe Landry does bring a dimension that others might not bring.

LD

 

[Vaark]

Those players are essentially uncoverable one on one and get BETTER in the red zone NOT b.c. of their 40 times but because of other parts of their game.

To use those players as *proof* that 40 times do not matter, APPLYING such proof to slow-footed WRs on Miami who have pretty much ZERO of their others skills is.. um... er... logical dumb and dumber to and tree and fo, lol.

LD

You've entrenched yourself so deeply in your Landry-hatin' hole that you can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to the clutch go-to receiver for a premiere SEC team being well prepared after being coached up by a successful NFL OC who likely shows more leadership and at least as much will to succeed as any of those others... not to mention as close as you can get to velco hands! If you were in AZ in 03, I'm pretty sure you'd be railing about the Cardinals second round "slow footed" WR pick who only played 23 games at that position in college! Guess who that was?

Long way of saying, your opinion counts but when you feel the compulsion to so heavy-handedly crowbar it into any discussion about Landry that's positive or optimistic, at this point weeks later, it says more about you than it does about Landry's prospects, so please don't be so ****ing dismissive.

 

[LDaniel7]

He had a bad hamstring. When he ran at his pro day, it was a 4.5. Still not that quick and his other drills were average, but the kid is a huge competitor and seems to need the pads on and the game flowing for his adrenaline to take over. He has game speed. It's not killer speed, But he is effective and physical. How effective remains to be seen.

For once we'll have a blocking receiver, which will be a change.

I think Landry can do well in the NFL -- better than Bess, that's for sure. However, he's the kind of WR that NEEDS other good skilled WRs on the team to bring out his best attributes.

IF teams can do what they did when Bess and Hartline frontlined the WR corps (sit down and crunch up the underneath zones w. zero deep threat) then his talent is limited. Landry needs to take advantage of space in zones and physical, unsung stuff -- WR blocking, "picks," playing thru contact to open space, etc. Like that, he becomes an effective NFL player. Kinda like how Boldin was ten times more effective when the Ravens made their SB run -- b.c. the 1 and 2 WRs were game-breakers. Forced teams to try and single cover Boldin and he made them pay big time.

LD

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You've entrenched yourself so deeply in your Landry-hatin' hole that you can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to the clutch go-to receiver for a premiere SEC team being well prepared after being coached up by a successful NFL OC who likely shows more leadership and at least as much will to succeed as any of those others... not to mention as close as you can get to velco hands! If you were in AZ in 03, I'm pretty sure you'd be railing about the Cardinals second round "slow footed" WR pick who only played 23 games at that position in college! Guess who that was?

Long way of saying, your opinion counts but when you feel the compulsion to so heavy-handedly crowbar it into any discussion about Landry that's positive or optimistic, at this point weeks later, it says more about you than it does about Landry's prospects, so please don't be so ****ing dismissive.

Where'd you get that I'm Landry hatin?

I believe the jury is still out on him. He can be an impact player given the right scenario w. other Miami WRs.

See my last post.

LD

 

[Travis34]

40 yard dash! Better be fast or else the player must suck



Yep, beat that drum

 

[thefranchisedef]

That's Landry's specialty. The kid has great hands. I'm confident that will continue when the pads come on. Also, he is physical and doesn't shy away from contact, so blocking, pick plays, heavy hits from safeties and even playing special teams will be strengths for the guy.

What we don't know yet is how well he knows the playbook, how precise is his route running, and the big question, how well will he separate vs. NFL CB's? I think in the slot he should be fine because the variety of routes in the slot provides a lot of opportunities to get open that don't always require speed or quickness. He is fairly quick too, so I think he'll be fine.

Sent from my phone, so please forgive any typos.

Definitely love his tenacity, hands, and body control, but he doesn't initiate blocks with his hands and runs average ropes. He's a better Gibson

 

[uk_dolfan]

Of all the stats in the nfl 40 times in shorts from a sprinters starting position is the one I care least about

 

[spiketex]

I think that Jarvis Landry is set to become a big time star (Dolphin fans will love him). Just look at his highlight video and if you've seen it then watch it again. He's physical and he seems to thrive on being physical. There are videoclips of him surrounded by 4 competitors but he still catches the ball. To all the nervous nellies who fixate on his poor 40 time - get over it and just watch him play. Tannehill is a pretty accurate passer, if he gets the ball anywhere near Landry, I expect him to catch it. We haven't drafted a WR with his natural talent for an extremely long time. Feel free to chargrill and flame me if I'm wrong. He could be a major part of our Offense for the next 10 years.

 

[roy_miami]

Of all the stats in the nfl 40 times in shorts from a sprinters starting position is the one I care least about

You would think with all the technology we have today they could develop a way to measure actual game speed from the tape.

 

[xXwarXx]

You would think with all the technology we have today they could develop a way to measure actual game speed from the tape.

They can, I don't think they want to tbh.

 

[roy_miami]

They can, I don't think they want to tbh.

No doubt. The whole combine is a spectacle and the 40 yard dash is the money shot. Plus beyond the time you can get a sense of who's working hard, and these guys have to train their asses off specifically for the combine stuff.

My problem with Landry's 40 is not the time but the fact that he had a hamstring injury which is a bit of a red flag in and of itself. I'm not a doctor but I believe hamstring injuries are totally avoidable if you're taking care of your body the right way. I pull a hammy just thinking about going for a run for example.