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GUARANTEED: we will be down a few coaches and front office members when this is over

The team was not implicated in either of those incidents. Ben paid off the girl and players and coaches were were putting up the $$$. They are different from the team as a legal entity. Was there a Phins logo on the check she cashed ? That's the question.
 
However, as you point out, guys like Big Ben have done worse -- he's an actual RAPIST. He's still on the Steelers. He's a team leader.

Not only that, the Steelers are still regarded by the "experts" as one of the "classiest" organizations in the NFL.
 
I'm so sick of talking about the off season right in the middle of te season. Every year right around this time we start looking towards free agency and the draft cause our season is ruined for one reason or another.

Ozzy rules!!
 
I'm sure if that was your sister, it wouldn't just be some broad. Are you ever going to hold these guys accountable for their actions? Just because they play football does mean they get a free pass.
I'm not giving him a free pass , she did by taking the payoff. It's all heresay to me. Part of a smear campaign.
 
Not only that, the Steelers are still regarded by the "experts" as one of the "classiest" organizations in the NFL.
Easy there kids. Ben is an alleged rapist. The charges were dropped.

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I'm not giving him a free pass , she did by taking the payoff. It's all heresay to me. Part of a smear campaign.

JDAM ! We don't know what happened and we never will. Maybe he hit on her and promised to call her but then never did. Hell hath no fury.......
 
Even though I think Martin is the problem here and making this a much bigger deal then it ever had to be, I agree that something is going to happen to the team. Whether that is people losing their jobs, other players suspended or a team fine/loss of draft picks remains to be seen.

But that fact is that this has become a national story and once it became that the NFL and the Dolphins will be pressured to do something. Incognito and the Dolphins were painted as the villians from day one and even if the facts prove that Martin was the problem it won't be what the people want. I wouldn't be surprised if Ted Wells was told to make sure his report makes Martin undoubtedly the victim and prove something went wrong so they can justify punishment.

I was watching the begining of the Today Show on NBC this morning and this was one of their top stories. The "update" today was the statement by Martin's lawyer, the Incognito golf allegation and a clip of Mike Florio saying Ireland told Martin to fight Incognito. That was it. The national media and people around the country have already made up their mind.

Duke Lacrosse was destroyed by national opinion and they ended up being wrong in the end. But in the wake, the coach was fired, players arrested, season cancelled among other things. Penn State had a former coach commit a crime and the current team with no connection to the incident is paying the price. Texas Tech was publicly forced to fire Mike Leach after a player accused him of locking him in a room. The fact is, once the villian is decided, nobody will stop until they see those individuals punished, even if the story isn't quite true.
 
Easy there kids. Ben is an alleged rapist. The charges were dropped.

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JDAM ! We don't know what happened and we never will. Maybe he hit on her and promised to call her but then never did. Hell hath no fury.......


And Richie is an ALLEGED groper. No charges were filed. Get real. These guys are degenerates.
 
Even though I think Martin is the problem here and making this a much bigger deal then it ever had to be, I agree that something is going to happen to the team. Whether that is people losing their jobs, other players suspended or a team fine/loss of draft picks remains to be seen.

But that fact is that this has become a national story and once it became that the NFL and the Dolphins will be pressured to do something. Incognito and the Dolphins were painted as the villians from day one and even if the facts prove that Martin was the problem it won't be what the people want. I wouldn't be surprised if Ted Wells was told to make sure his report makes Martin undoubtedly the victim and prove something went wrong so they can justify punishment.

I was watching the begining of the Today Show on NBC this morning and this was one of their top stories. The "update" today was the statement by Martin's lawyer, the Incognito golf allegation and a clip of Mike Florio saying Ireland told Martin to fight Incognito. That was it. The national media and people around the country have already made up their mind.

Duke Lacrosse was destroyed by national opinion and they ended up being wrong in the end. But in the wake, the coach was fired, players arrested, season cancelled among other things. Penn State had a former coach commit a crime and the current team with no connection to the incident is paying the price. Texas Tech was publicly forced to fire Mike Leach after a player accused him of locking him in a room. The fact is, once the villian is decided, nobody will stop until they see those individuals punished, even if the story isn't quite true.

The first casualty is the truth. Is Cogs planning on running for office ? becasue they are going after him like he's a (R).
 
Yes, it's football, and still subject to the law. As yet, Ireland hasn't disputed the account, so I have no reason to think the agent is deliberately misrepresenting the encounter.

Everything is quiet right now in dolphins management camp as the investigation continues. I want to see verifiable proof before I believe he said she said unless there is an eye witness to the conversation.

Do you believe everything the martins are saying without proof?
 
I disagree! We wont lose any FO or coaching staff. I think ALL of this being overblown and I think the review will show that the phins lockeroom is no more vial than any other.
 
Everything is quiet right now in dolphins management camp as the investigation continues. I want to see verifiable proof before I believe he said she said unless there is an eye witness to the conversation.

Do you believe everything the martins are saying without proof?

Anyone who takes everything coming out here at face value without having a good reason for it is being suckered. Martin camp has already shown they are willing to doctor/edit voicemails to push their agenda. I'm sure the Dolphins are going to leak stuff tactically and out of context, too.

And Richie's dad already unloaded everything he had right at the start of this, except nobody believed him because we were still all in Martin's corner.
 
He was accused on two separate occasions by two different women.



In my opinion, both are dirtbags.....but I'm not defending Martin either.

So guilty til proven innocent huh? You dont know what happened but you're still ready to judge a man based on accusations. For shame.
 
Ireland, Turner, Martin and Incognito ramifications

Something to think about...

1) WHat dude can really be respected if his sister has group sex with a bunch of the guy's teammates. Seriously. Armando was reporting that a guy was actually dating Martin's sister. That adds a whole dimension to this thing.
2) The physical contact a player made with Martin...Was that on the field or off the field? If it was off the field, it wouldn't surprise me if Incognito made a pass at Martin because maybe he thought he was gay. Maybe Incognito was badgering him because he liked Martin. Who knows? That might explain the "hospitalization for emotional issues."
3) Nobody has been a bigger supporter of Ireland that I have been. I'm serious. If MArtin gets released, as florio was suggesting this morning on WQAM, just freaking can him. Done. Ireland better hold that man hostage for as long as it takes to get a good pick from him. If that's a 2014 pick? So be it. But it better be a high pick.
4) The only guiy in jeopardy here (in my opinipn) was Jim Turner. I think philbin was being truthful. As was Tannehill. Pouncey didn't make himself available so he definitely knows something.

Incognito will not play another down of football again. Martin might be better off taking his LSATS. He's about to have a lot of time on his hands. He might be done as long as the Dolphins hold his rights.
 
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