Gus never given a fair shake to start since Washington?.. WRONG

[FinInYpsi]

To all those who have this immense hope in Gus, I wouldnt get my hopes up..
Truth is, if Feeley doesnt pan out, this team is doomed this season. Gus wont win us games.

Actually we don't really need Gus to win us any games. We'd just like our QB to not lose games for us, the way Feeley did so many times last season.

 

[Dudeman]

Neither guy would have drove the team down the field for a touchdown, in that scenario. As I said, we'll know more as of Saturday when Frerotte is with the 1st team and Feeley with the 2nd.

theres no point in arguing with SkapePhin. He's been biased in favor of Feeley since day 1. AJ could go out and throw 5 INTs, and he'd find some way to put a positive spin on it.

 

[SkapePhin]

theres no point in arguing with SkapePhin. He's been biased in favor of Feeley since day 1. AJ could go out and throw 5 INTs, and he'd find some way to put a positive spin on it.

:laugh:

By George, is this some irony!

 

[SkapePhin]

Actually we don't really need Gus to win us any games. We'd just like our QB to not lose games for us, the way Feeley did so many times last season.

I will not disagree with that.. Feeley did lose some close game last season.. But, as Marino himself even stated, its a team effort, if a QB doesnt have time, he cannot function at his highest level.. This is clearly something he was not afforded..

As demonstrated in Philly, he is capable of NOT LOSING GAMES with the proper supporting cast.. 4-1 as a caretaker..

 

[FinInYpsi]

As I recall, at least 3 0r 4 of AJ's passes went about 15-20 yards in the air, including the rope to Thompson that went right through his hands.

Do you happen to recall what happened with the last 2 passes Feeley threw? one was 5 yards short on a 12-yard hook pattern (when the WR had inside position), and the other hit the back of a defender before the line.

Besides, what did you expect from Thompson?

 

[Dudeman]

:laugh:

By George, is this some irony!

you really have no clue what you're talking about. I've said that I want the best QB to start, while all you've done is continue your love affair with AJ, trying to explain to the world why he is so great, and Gus sucks, and will be unable to win games.

Just starting this thread is asinine, because you are trying to discredit any of Gus' accomplishments, and trying to minimize any of Feeley's weaknesses.

We know all we need to know when you go and post something as childish as "If AJ doesn't pan out, we're doomed because Gus wont win games"

 

[FinInYpsi]

I will not disagree with that.. Feeley did lose some close game last season.. But, as Marino himself even stated, its a team effort, if a QB doesnt have time, he cannot function at his highest level.. This is clearly something he was not afforded..

As demonstrated in Philly, he is capable of NOT LOSING GAMES with the proper supporting cast.. 4-1 as a caretaker..

Even so, not all of his interceptions were because of pressure. he can't read the defense, and he never knows where the safety is on a play. Against Cincy he had time, he just tried to bullet it right through a LB. and that definitely wasn't the only time. Either he was not seeing the field, or he was panicking. Either way Feeley lost just as many games for us as anyone else, including the line.

 

[PhinBeck]

What was Cincinatti that season, 2-14? Frerotte must be a bad QB!

The point isnt that Cinci was great, it was that they were a bad team that still have better offensive talent than AJ played with last year, better o-line, one offensive coach not 3, a great running back. Yet you all use Cinci being a bad team for Frerrotte not producing, yet when AJ played as a 1st time starter, he was cut ZERO slack playing under worse circumstances. Key is AJ had very little experience since high school, frerrotte had college AND NFL experience and couldnt beat out Akili Smith. Then you have detroit where he doesnt do shirt.

I agree right now if all things remain teh same, Gus should start. But if you want your opinions to have some weight, use the same criteria when evaluating teh 2.

 

[SkapePhin]

you really have no clue what you're talking about. I've said that I want the best QB to start, while all you've done is continue your love affair with AJ, trying to explain to the world why he is so great, and Gus sucks, and will be unable to win games.

Just starting this thread is asinine, because you are trying to discredit any of Gus' accomplishments, and trying to minimize any of Feeley's weaknesses.

We know all we need to know when you go and post something as childish as "If AJ doesn't pan out, we're doomed because Gus wont win games"

Actually, I challenge you to look through ALL MY POST HISTORY.. I have CONTINUALLY said I want the best QB to start, if its Frerotte, fine.. All I am saying is that there is a highly likely chance that wont be much of an improvement and will get us nowhere in the end.

Imo, we need to see what Feeley has, sometime, to make sense of the investment.. this is hte best year to do so.. If he flops.. We got a stud QB lcoming our way, either Omar Jacobs/Matt Leinart, or a trade for Rivers/Brees..

I am just handing out cautionary info for everyone.. and funnily enough, the Feeley "Haters" are quite eager, willing, and ready to dismiss it. I wonder why? No.. You have no bias at all sir Dudeman.. You have always been quite the fair one...



Cheers!

 

[PhinBeck]

Do you happen to recall what happened with the last 2 passes Feeley threw? one was 5 yards short on a 12-yard hook pattern (when the WR had inside position), and the other hit the back of a defender before the line.

Besides, what did you expect from Thompson?

Uh dude, the pass at the feet was intentional, go ahead and make your argument based on a pass that AJ was clearly throwing away in the "direction" of Williams.

Honestly, some people who claim that AJ supporters are bias, really cant see teh forest fore teh trees.

 

[Dolphin1184]

At least we know that Gus can heave it 65 yards. I have a clip of last year.

One thing we can all agree on: Thank god that Jay Fiedler is gone. It seems like we have a REAL competition this year.

 

[PhinBeck]

you really have no clue what you're talking about. I've said that I want the best QB to start, while all you've done is continue your love affair with AJ, trying to explain to the world why he is so great, and Gus sucks, and will be unable to win games.

Just starting this thread is asinine, because you are trying to discredit any of Gus' accomplishments, and trying to minimize any of Feeley's weaknesses.

We know all we need to know when you go and post something as childish as "If AJ doesn't pan out, we're doomed because Gus wont win games"

What "accomplishments" are you speaking of? Really I want to know. I see none. I see 5 teams before he came to us, all let him walk or cut him. That isnt lofty accomplishemnts in my book. What the 4 games in relief in a high powered O? IMO that isnt enoughto negate the other failures when given teh chance to be the guy

You question Feeley, fine. All I ask is that AJ be given teh same latitude you seem to want to offer a journeyman qb off the street that has been around 8+ years.

 

[SkapePhin]

At least we know that Gus can heave it 65 yards. I have a clip of last year.

One thing we can all agree on: Thank god that Jay Fiedler is gone. It seems like we have a REAL competition this year.

Thats true.. We still have to see if he, or even Feeley, has accuracy on those long balls though.

 

[PhinSoldia]

He's not an improvement over Fiedler, but Fiedler is gone, so it doesn't matter. Fiedler played better than Feeley last year as well, but Fiedler played most of his games under Wanny and went 1-8. Feeley played for a team that was 3-4, but Fiedler's stats were still better overall.

oh goody lets trade say our 3rd rounder to Ny for Ears and we will have a clear cut starter

 

[Disnardo]

No, it means, Feeley got injured and the team rallied, it just so happens Frerotte came in and did what Feeley couldn't, move them down the field with the same players.

Guys not to intervene in this great debate, but not once mention is the fact the the OL and OC coaches might have adjusted the game plan, and protection scheme, to improve performance?

I did not see the game, but this has not been brought up on this thread. I know this is not what this thread is about either, but you guys can continue...