Has Philbin Won Back Miami Phans?

[fishfanmiami]

IMO he's got the potential to be good Landry type coach although somethings Joe does are disappointing considering how smart I think he is. My low point was learning that coaching and management actually went to Incog requesting he toughen Martin up and then stood by silently suspending him and letting Richie take all the heat and get destroyed by the hypocritical media without owning up to some responsibility. Whether it's the drill sergeant OLC Turner who initiated the request or not, it's still Philbin's responsibility and his silence has left a bad taste in my mouth. However, I do hope he learns from this and transforms into an iconic coach for us - there's still that potential IMO.

I agree with this but my low point with Philbin was his inability to have his team ready for the Tampa Bay Monday night game. They sleep walked through the first half and this led credence to the notion we had a divided locker room and great internal strife playing into the ESPN commentary.

Since then he has righted the ship so let's see how the next three games play out before giving Philbin his final grade.

 

[phinking]

All you are aware of are the examples where Philbin allegedly got what he wanted. Speculation regardless.

What you are not aware of are examples of guys that Philbin potentially didn't want but are kept, because those are not public.
So it is a fallacy to assume that Philbin gets what he wants every time.
Just like it is a fallacy that those guys being cut was a unilateral Philbin decision.

You are making major leaps of conclusions on the basis of limited information that directly goes against information that we have.

And this is why I don't believe that story. Trust is built when you are given the truth and when there is transparency. Do you trust everything this organization puts out there? I don't

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

This is a good question from the OP. Good time for such a thread IMO. As for me I never really got off the Philbin bandwagon, but I have never been 100% sold on him either. No coach is perfect but coming out after a bye week vs the bills 3rd/4th string QB at home and putting out such a pathetic performance, combined with the TB loss are hard to forgive. This team has better talent than it's record in my honest opinion. A better than average coaching staff would have us at least 2 more wins at this point in the season. But having said that I also think the quickest way to the bottom of the NFL is to change directions/coaching staff/front office, year after year before they get time to turn the corner.

Back in the glory days when we were one of the best teams in the league, we kept the same staff for the most part. Since then we have been in a constant state of change and have been playoff no shows year after year. I am not ready to give up on yet another coach because we are not in the super bowl. But I will say I think our lack of winning record has a lot more to do with the coaching staff than the players we now have. We have the groceries, now we have to get the cook to get us a winning meal. I guess looking at it that way, means I think Ireland has brought in the players and the coaches have failed to put out the meal. If I had my choice I would like to see them both stay one more year, but if one of the two had to go, I would keep Ireland. Then again if they both were cut free I wouldn't cry over it, as long as they brought in someone who was better.

 

[zach attach]

I'm going to need to see the 3 games with Joe. How he does, how he makes adjustments *For the positive.

I do wonder who is in control of Zach Taylor. IF Philbin thinks he is not qualified to teach Tannehill, then why keep him? To satisfy Sherman? That would be a black mark to me. Who is in charge of that choice?

 

[iambanned]

As far as the Bucs game: Phillip Wheeler lost that game when he hit Glennon in the head for no good reason. Miami would've gotten the ball back near mid-field with 5 minutes left and the ability to at least show run as a deception. Instead, we got it back late, deep in our own territory with time running down.
Looking at what Tampa has done since that time, it's obvious that their physical talent presented a challenge to what, at the time, was still a O-line-challenged team.

Also, it's pretty obvious that Miami was outcoached by Tampa on that day. Schiano was the most despised coach in football (besides our 'no-brain' trust) and yet they figured out how to beat us. They attacked what we thought was our strength and they even did it with a FB at RB and a back-up 3rd-down back. They ran it down our throats.
We squandered golden opportunity after golden opportunity to crush them but we let them hang and they beat our butt. If I owned the team, that game would've been the last straw. I would keep it under wraps, but everyone would be canned after the season. Ireland, Philbin, Sherman, Coyle: Goodbye!

 

[iambanned]

The problem, though, is that your first talent evaluator is the owner. If he can't evalutate talent at GM/coach, then he'll bring in some other bozo and we'd do even worse then the semi-perennial 8-8 that we are.

Also, it seems like Phiblin just stands there while Sherman and Coyle do the coaching. What does Philbin even do in this situation?

 

[trojanma]

Dolphins offensive coordinator Mike Sherman gave Joe Philbin some serious praise for getting the team to win 3 of 4


“Well I think this is the right time. I have to say this and I wouldn’t feel right if I didn’t. I think Joe Philbin has done a phenomenal job to get us to this point," Sherman said. "You talk about going through some very difficult times, as a head coach, I never had to endure what he’s had to endure this past season with the distractions that we had here in the mid-season time. For him to keep our team together and keep us focused, you have no idea what a task that is to keep a team together and not splinter. Amidst the adversity and some of the off the field/on the field stuff that we had when we lost some ball games after winning three and then the losing and then having the adversity that we had and the distractions that we had. I have to give Joe Philbin tremendous credit for the focus that he demanded from all of us to stay on task. We wouldn’t be in this position if he wasn’t able to pull us all together, coaches and players alike. Having been a head coach, I recognize how difficult a job that is and I said ‘wow, this is tough, we were in it, this is tough to pull them together,’ but I thought he did a phenomenal job of doing that.”

 

[SkapePhin]

Are you claiming he held team meetings in a strip club? The only meetings in strip clubs I am aware of is OL meetings. And I don't believe they have strip clubs at the facility so again I ask you. Does your boss know what you do when you are away from your desk during off time?

Obviously the answer is no and to expect Philbin to know where groups of players are after they leave the facility is unreasonable.

Wait, are you saying an OL meeting isn't a team meeting?? Weren't they going over work-related issues at these OL meetings??

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Wait, are you saying an OL meeting isn't a team meeting?? Weren't they going over work-related issues at these OL meetings??

They were after hours group meetings organized by the players. Not official team meetings. There's kind of a difference there.

 

[SkapePhin]

They were after hours group meetings organized by the players. Not official team meetings. There's kind of a difference there.

Were they discussing work stuff or not?

Also, from reports, Richie, the anointed leader of the group, made these meeting mandatory and would fine players that didn't show... So in my mind, that makes it a team function.

The coach should be aware of that, especially if the guy leading the meeting was already on the radar for sexual harassment.

 

[ATL_PHIN_FAN]

Aside from he and his family's character flaws, let's closely examine this last game in particular. Do any of you realize that if Brian Hartline, Ryan Tannehill and Sam Brenner did not beg him to throw a red flag on the Hartline TD he would not have? That is 6 points he and the officials would have cost this team which would have resulted in a loss. Much like the challenge he failed to make against New England on that Rishard Matthews catch in the third quarter which would have put the Dolphins in field goal range. A Head Coach HAS TO put his team in position to win EVERY game. And you do that by making sound decisions on the sidelines. So let's slow down on him winning back anybody.

The announcer used the word 'beg.' As far as I cant tell, no one else has used that term to describe what they said to Philbin or how they said it. In Philbin's day after presser, he said he listened to Hartline and Tannehill but was also listening for confirmation from the guys in the booth who's job it is to provide him with the info he needs to make the decision to throw the red flag. I see no reason whatsoever to complain about this process. I'd also like to remind you that Philbin has been correct on 100% of his challenges this year.

As far as the Rishard Mathews end zone play against New England, I don't see what you wanted Philbin to challenge? It wasn't a catch because he dropped it. Yes, an illegal hit caused Matthews to drop it, but the non-call for the hit is NOT challengeable. Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[nyashfan]

How can you quantify the notion that "the team wasn't ready to play"? The Tampa game was the 1st game without Martin and Incognito. I believe that was the game where the Dolphins had something like 2 yards rushing and Tannehill was getting killed on virtually every pass play. Also you could see the improvement in Tampa once Freeman was released and Glennon gained some experience. Tampa was not a typical 0-8 team as evidenced that they had a huge lead against Seattle in Seattle before succumbing in overtime. What impresses me about Philbin's preparation is how much the OL has improved each week since the Tampa game.

Every good team has losses to inferior opponents. Every team can play the "what if" game and claim 3 more wins that would've given their team a 1st round bye if only such-and-such had happened. Much of the NFL comes down to the rub of the green as to when during the season you face a particular opponent. Teams are constantly evolving throughout the year, up and down. Just look at the Dolphins this week versus 4 or 5 weeks ago.

I think the best way to judge Philbin is not by isolating this particular call from that particular game. I'd rather judge him by the continued development of key players, discipline as evidenced by committing few penalties, improvement in a makeshift OL, etc. Yes, winning matters. But how you play the game, how you win, also matters.

I mean the Dolphins just went to Pittsburgh in December against a team led by an experienced Superbowl winning coach and QB, fighting for its playoff life as were the Dolphins, and defeated them in cold and snowy conditions. When was the last time that the Dolphins could claim that important a victory against a quality opponent? I was going to say in the AFC title game in 1972, but I think it was actually balmy in Pittsburgh that day.

With the exception of the New Orleans game, facing a team which is unbeatable at home in prime time games, the Dolphins have been competitive scorewise in every single game this year. Joe Philbin has had his team ready to compete every single week. I have seen enough. I am sold on Joe Philbin.

Edit - so far this year the Dolphins are the least penalized team both in terms of number and yardage. In fact, the Dolphins have committed 7 fewer penalties than the next least penalized team. That is a HUGE margin. That is a testament to the quality of coaching and discipline that Joe Philbin instills to his players.

 

[aquaman54]

NEVER lost me.....In the wake of what's happened,and in the unforeseen aftermath,I support him!!! I've seen TONS of grit from him in his ability to keep our Boys focused and a force of "ONE"!!! And screw the respect thing. I couldn't care less what anyone thinks of us. I've always believed that it's US against the universe.......

 

[trojanma]

How can you quantify the notion that "the team wasn't ready to play"? The Tampa game was the 1st game without Martin and Incognito. I believe that was the game where the Dolphins had something like 2 yards rushing and Tannehill was getting killed on virtually every pass play. Also you could see the improvement in Tampa once Freeman was released and Glennon gained some experience. Tampa was not a typical 0-8 team as evidenced that they had a huge lead against Seattle in Seattle before succumbing in overtime. What impresses me about Philbin's preparation is how much the OL has improved each week since the Tampa game.

Every good team has losses to inferior opponents. Every team can play the "what if" game and claim 3 more wins that would've given their team a 1st round bye if only such-and-such had happened. Much of the NFL comes down to the rub of the green as to when during the season you face a particular opponent. Teams are constantly evolving throughout the year, up and down. Just look at the Dolphins this week versus 4 or 5 weeks ago.

I think the best way to judge Philbin is not by isolating this particular call from that particular game. I'd rather judge him by the continued development of key players, discipline as evidenced by committing few penalties, improvement in a makeshift OL, etc. Yes, winning matters. But how you play the game, how you win, also matters.

I mean the Dolphins just went to Pittsburgh in December against a team led by an experienced Superbowl winning coach and QB, fighting for its playoff life as were the Dolphins, and defeated them in cold and snowy conditions. When was the last time that the Dolphins could claim that important a victory against a quality opponent? I was going to say in the AFC title game in 1972, but I think it was actually balmy in Pittsburgh that day.

With the exception of the New Orleans game, facing a team which is unbeatable at home in prime time games, the Dolphins have been competitive in every single game this year. Joe Philbin has had his team ready to compete every single week. I have seen enough. I am sold on Joe Philbin.

Excellent post.
All to often folks get wrapped in inane meaningless details completely missing the forest for the trees.

 

[johngarryvo]

fence under my arse feels ok for now... let ya know after Sunday