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Has Philbin Won Back Miami Phans?

I've always believed in Philbin. And my fandom for our coach hasn't wavered one bit.

At the end of the year we'll definitely revisit some of those previous threads where people more or less guaranteed that none of our staff would be around at the end of the year and that they deserved it. Crow will be eaten by the sillys who like to overreact to everything.
 
SkapePhin said:
Where is he lacking depth? There is a lot more depth on this team than you give them credit for.

DL: Loaded with depth
QB: best backup in the league
TE: found a star after top guy went down
WR: still chugging along after key slot guy went down
OL: the depth turned out to be better than starters!
DB: excellent underrated depth, as they continue to keep WRs out of endzone.

The only positions I could see with poor depth are LB and S...
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I would add RB to that as well but your post only further illustrates my point. Nobody considered this roster full of depth even a few weeks ago and yet this coaching staff as somehow been able to plug players in and stay competitive. Is this just dumb luck or does coaching and development have something to do with it?
 
We will have to agree to disagree.

Unless you work for the Dolphins, you don't know the precise power structure of Miaimi's org.
You are only speculating this based on interpretations in the Media. As am I, but at least I have admitted it essentially on every post.

You may be correct in the way the disagreement was reported with Fisher.
But the fact is it is irrelevant to what I am trying to say.
That a rookie HC unilaterally, going against a consensus decision on a player is highly unlikely. Even if it is simply a demotion.

Have you never worked in a corporation?
If a meeting is held and a decision is made then some one goes back and does what they want anyway. That type of move would be extremely frowned upon.
There is no way a guy in Philbin's position could do that.

Shanahan... who has been a coach for decades and doesn't give a **** maybe, Philbin No.
 
Unchained 07 said:
I would add RB to that as well but your post only further illustrates my point. Nobody considered this roster full of depth even a few weeks ago and yet this coaching staff as somehow been able to plug players in and stay competitive. Is this just dumb luck or does coaching and development have something to do with it?
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Ya I added RB in there. But I don't see how that goes against my point. Don't the players need to have talent to be developed?? If the depth players didn't have any talent, they could never be developed.

They work hand in hand. Bottom line, if there was no depth, they wouldn't be performing well when the starters went down. It doesn't matter f us fans didn't THINK they had depth at the start, the play on the field proves us wrong and proves there was depth.

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trojanma said:
We will have to agree to disagree.

Unless you work for the Dolphins, you don't know the precise power structure of Miaimi's org.
You are only speculating this based on interpretations in the Media. As am I, but at least I have admitted it essentially on every post.

You may be correct in the way the disagreement was reported with Fisher.
But the fact is it is irrelevant to what I am trying to say.
That a rookie HC unilaterally, going against a consensus decision on a player is highly unlikely. Even if it is simply a demotion.

Have you never worked in a corporation?
If a meeting is held and a decision is made then some one goes back and does what they want anyway. That type of move would be extremely frowned upon.
There is no way a guy in Philbin's position could do that.

Shanahan... who has been a coach for decades and doesn't give a **** maybe, Philbin No.
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And how do you know it was a consensus decision to keep Cog that didn't include Philbin's input? That is all speculation...
 
SkapePhin said:
Ya I added RB in there. But I don't see how that goes against my point. Don't the players need to have talent to be developed?? If the depth players didn't have any talent, they could never be developed.

They work hand in hand. Bottom line, if there was no depth, they wouldn't be performing well when the starters went down. It doesn't matter f us fans didn't THINK they had depth at the start, the play on the field proves us wrong and proves there was depth.

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And how do you know it was a consensus decision to keep Cog that didn't include Philbin's input? That is all speculation...
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10063309/

It was released as part of a series of interviews by Wells.
If you doubt the validity of this information then there is not reason to continue having this conversation, because at that point anything is debatable.
 
SkapePhin said:
Ya I added RB in there. But I don't see how that goes against my point. Don't the players need to have talent to be developed?? If the depth players didn't have any talent, they could never be developed.

They work hand in hand. Bottom line, if there was no depth, they wouldn't be performing well when the starters went down. It doesn't matter f us fans didn't THINK they had depth at the start, the play on the field proves us wrong and proves there was depth.

ALL NFL players have talent, some more than others. The question is can these players become part of a winning product on the field. This is where coaching plays a major role. Philbin and his staff have to get some credit for this.
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trojanma said:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10063309/

It was released as part of a series of interviews by Wells.
If you doubt the validity of this information then there is not reason to continue having this conversation, because at that point anything is debatable.
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Ok so he wanted to cut him, yet he allows this guy to take a huge leadership position in the locker room. He doesn't keep an eye on how this guy he wanted to cut is handling his leadership role? He doesn't ask his assistant coaches to keep an eye on him and his interactions with teammates? He has no earthly clue that this guy who sexually harassed a female volunteer is holding OL meetings at a strip club?? And if he did he had no problems with that??

In all honesty, that shows him to be even more incompetent.

Fact is, he had the power and authority to handle this situation in many ways, and apparently he did nothing...
 
Unchained 07 said:
SkapePhin said:
Ya I added RB in there. But I don't see how that goes against my point. Don't the players need to have talent to be developed?? If the depth players didn't have any talent, they could never be developed.

They work hand in hand. Bottom line, if there was no depth, they wouldn't be performing well when the starters went down. It doesn't matter f us fans didn't THINK they had depth at the start, the play on the field proves us wrong and proves there was depth.

ALL NFL players have talent, some more than others. The question is can these players become part of a winning product on the field. This is where coaching plays a major role. Philbin and his staff have to get some credit for this.
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I'm not saying they shouldn't get some credit for developing them, but you apparently want to give the personnel department zero credit for getting guys that could be developed to provide depth... If the depth was nonexistent, there is no amount of coaching that could help that...
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I think it's best to look at the big picture. The plusses far outweigh the minuses. I think the criticism regarding Philbin's game management decisions are way overblown. Yes, the field goal decision was abominable. No debate at all.

But I feel as though others (not yourself) portray him as clueless, unfocused, or incapable of handling in-game decisions. I can only conclude that this perception is based on his cerebral, calm demeanor. The fact that he is 100% on his challenges this year proves to me that his head is in the game. Perhaps others dislike his relatively conservative game management philosophy. That was certainly warranted in the snow at Pittsburgh. I have a strong feeling that Philbin will exhibit a more aggressive style this week.

Let's be honest and realize that there are a lot of coaches making many more boneheaded decisions than Philbin. Didn't Trestman settle for a 48 yard field goal on 2nd down in overtime and subsequently lose that game to the Vikings? I believe there was another game against the Ravens in which Trestman failed to use his timeouts on defense late in the 4th quarter and was fortunate to win in OT.

The only other bad decision I can recall by Philbin was failing to call timeout on the Panthers 4th and 10 play late in the game. But let's be fair and give him credit for using his timeouts on defense to seal the win against the Colts. Or how about his decision to eschew a 56 yard field goal in OT against the Bengals. Winning decisions by human nature get less noticed.

My honest sense is that fans do not like his conservative approach as opposed to disagreeing with every single game management decision. He has the pulse of his team and QB, and I believe that when he feels confident that his maturing QB is ready, his approach will exhibit more situational aggressiveness. Fans may applaud Belichick's propensity to go for it on 4th down. To that I would say 1) it looks like genius when it works and 2) it is more likely to work when your QB is Tom Brady.





J. David Wannyheimer said:
I like the way he has kept the team focused. That's honestly very impressive. I like the fact that the team has come out prepared to play since the Bucs fiasco. I like that the team is playing its best football right now. I like the fact that we outplayed and beat the Steelers in a snowstorm at their house in a desperate elimination game in which they pulled out all the stops and played after the whistle.

But I'm troubled at the fact that Joe's game management has been really bad in spots this year -- whereas I thought it was good overall last year. That's really the one thing that bothers me. That decision to kick the FG at the end of half against the Steelers, I know some people think I am being too harsh, but it really was a terrible decision.
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Zounds said:
You cant bench someone for what might have happened during a non-football event during the offseason. The NFLPA would be all over that. DeMaurice Smith would eat your lunch.

Philbin tried to cut Incognito and was overruled by Ireland or Aponte. That's good enough for me.
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Philbin DID NOT want to cut Incognito, I do not believe that for one second. If he wanted to cut Incognito, Incognito would have been either cut or traded. I will give you 2 examples. Devon Bess who we will ALL AGREE was one of the best players on this team for the last 5 years. Philbin traded him because according to Bess, he (Bess) had a back injury that he felt was too dangerous to play through the last 3 games and Philbin was not happy with that. Philbin claims he traded Bess because Bess was strictly a slot receiver and he wanted someone more versatile. Regardless of who you want to believe, the bottom line is that Philbin wanted Bess gone and Bess is gone. Example #2: Joe Philbin did not want Brandon Marshall on this team because he felt Marshall would have been a pain in the neck to him and Tannehill. Marshall was traded. And of course we all saw the Ochocinco situation with our own eyes. so if he can cut or trade those guys, who the hell is Richie Incognito?
 
SkapePhin said:
Ireland isn't his boss. They are a team, and they have worked together on several personnel moves in the past, including a similar circumstance with Ocho Cinco. Why would this be any different? He wasn't powerless to do anything about Incognito. You all presenting a fantasy on nothing more than Ireland hate. Irish isn't the authoritarian figure in Davie that you present here...
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Who has final say on personnel?
 
phinking said:
Philbin DID NOT want to cut Incognito, I do not believe that for one second. If he wanted to cut Incognito, Incognito would have been either cut or traded. I will give you 2 examples. Devon Bess who we will ALL AGREE was one of the best players on this team for the last 5 years. Philbin traded him because according to Bess, he (Bess) had a back injury that he felt was too dangerous to play through the last 3 games and Philbin was not happy with that. Philbin claims he traded Bess because Bess was strictly a slot receiver and he wanted someone more versatile. Regardless of who you want to believe, the bottom line is that Philbin wanted Bess gone and Bess is gone. Example #2: Joe Philbin did not want Brandon Marshall on this team because he felt Marshall would have been a pain in the neck to him and Tannehill. Marshall was traded. And of course we all saw the Ochocinco situation with our own eyes. so if he can cut or trade those guys, who the hell is Richie Incognito?
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that's not how it works
 
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