Has Philbin Won Back Miami Phans?

[SkapePhin]

You cant bench someone for what might have happened during a non-football event during the offseason. The NFLPA would be all over that. DeMaurice Smith would eat your lunch.

Philbin tried to cut Incognito and was overruled by Ireland or Aponte. That's good enough for me.

Umm, wasn't Cog essentially "benched" for the Martin thing? A non-football incident that happened during the offseason away from facilities?

It is conduct detrimental to the team and he absolutely could be benched, just liked guys with DUIs are all the time. Ocho Cinco was cut for similar behavior.

I think you all are giving Philbin way too much credit on this. So in Ocho Cinco's case, why was Philbin the one to cut him and not Ireland??

Can't have your cake and eat it too...

 

[trojanma]

The GM owns the roster in the offseason. The coach owns the roster during the season. Or that's how it's always been presented to me, anyway.

Still we act like it is really easy for Philbin to go against management and remove a player that they agreed upon as a group to keep.

We are talking about a rookie HC.
Not to mention it would be going against the grain to what his boss, Ireland, decided.

No one knows the power dynamics in the Fins Org, but that is asking a lot of Philbin.

 

[AphexPhin]

A little. I really thought he lost the team after the Buccs loss. I give him credit for keeping the guys together and motivated. That being said, he still worries me as a game day coach. Can that be learned over time? I don't know. His time management is atrocious and some of his decision making is questionable at best. Right now, best case scenario he is an Andy Reid type guy - a coach who can keep his team ready to go, but will collapse during games due to poor decisions and management.

I think thats a fair assessment . I'm glad we are still in the playoff mix but still irked that we blew so many winnable games . We should be like 9-3 or 8-4 imo. But if we can manage to win out I am all aboard supporting Philbin.

 

[SkapePhin]

Still we act like it is really easy for Philbin to go against management and remove a player that they agreed upon as a group to keep.

We are talking about a rookie HC.
Not to mention it would be going against the grain to what his boss, Ireland, decided.

No one knows the power dynamics in the Fins Org, but that is asking a lot of Philbin.

Ireland isn't his boss. They are a team, and they have worked together on several personnel moves in the past, including a similar circumstance with Ocho Cinco. Why would this be any different? He wasn't powerless to do anything about Incognito. You all presenting a fantasy on nothing more than Ireland hate. Irish isn't the authoritarian figure in Davie that you present here...

 

[Unchained 07]

Never lost me. He's a 2nd year head coach with a young QB and a team riddled with injury and lacking depth at key positions. He's endured a media overblown scandal that could have torn the locker room apart and yet he has this team playing well in December with a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Job well done IMHO...

 

[DuderinoN703]

Aside from he and his family's character flaws, let's closely examine this last game in particular. Do any of you realize that if Brian Hartline, Ryan Tannehill and Sam Brenner did not beg him to throw a red flag on the Hartline TD he would not have? That is 6 points he and the officials would have cost this team which would have resulted in a loss. Much like the challenge he failed to make against New England on that Rishard Matthews catch in the third quarter which would have put the Dolphins in field goal range. A Head Coach HAS TO put his team in position to win EVERY game. And you do that by making sound decisions on the sidelines. So let's slow down on him winning back anybody.

Not true. If you would've listened to him in his press conference, he said every WR says their feet are in on catches like that. He threw the flag after Hartline came over and also hearing from the coaches upstairs saying it might be a catch.

 

[trojanma]

Ireland isn't his boss. They are a team, and they have worked together on several personnel moves in the past, including a similar circumstance with Ocho Cinco. Why would this be any different? He wasn't powerless to do anything about Incognito. You all presenting a fantasy on nothing more than Ireland hate. Irish isn't the authoritarian figure in Davie that you present here...

What are you talking about.
Ireland-hate?

The whole point of Miami's power structure is that the Coach answers to the GM.
That was one of Fishers big issues with the fins.

I said I do not know of the exact power dynamic in Miami but you have to assume that Philbin, having been in Miami for a year, is a little lower on the totem pole then Ireland who has been there for 6.

Just because they worked together doesn't mean they couldn't disagree. They did come to a consensus which was to keep Cog so someone in the personnel organization over-ruled Philbin.

If you have a meeting where it is to decide to keep or not keep Cog. Philbin says I want him gone but is over-ruled by others...
For Philbin to go out of that and bury Cog in the depth chart comes off as passive aggressive and likely damaging to his position in the organization.
As a 1st year HC my point is he likely does not have the status in the organization to unilaterally make that decision.

 

[SkapePhin]

Never lost me. He's a 2nd year head coach with a young QB and a team riddled with injury and lacking depth at key positions. He's endured a media overblown scandal that could have torn the locker room apart and yet he has this team playing well in December with a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Job well done IMHO...

Where is he lacking depth? There is a lot more depth on this team than you give them credit for.

DL: Loaded with depth
QB: best backup in the league
TE: found a star after top guy went down
WR: still chugging along after key slot guy went down
OL: the depth turned out to be better than starters!
DB: excellent underrated depth, as they continue to keep WRs out of endzone.

The only positions I could see with poor depth are RB, LB and S...

 

[tcdrover]

My opinions on Philbin and Ireland are based on how the team performs and the talent on the team sometimes the record does not reflect that.

They were NEVER based, swayed or affected by the Martin fiasco.

If the Martin situation affected your opinion of EITHER guy then you are giving the media much more respect and merit than they deserve.

Footballs players get into things like that and the golf club incident ALL the time.

This is nothing new. The only new thing here is the heightened sensitivity to anything related to the word 'Bullying', and the 24-7 media cycle.

 

[SkapePhin]

What are you talking about.
Ireland-hate?

The whole point of Miami's power structure is that the Coach answers to the GM.
That was one of Fishers big issues with the fins.

I said I do not know of the exact power dynamic in Miami but you have to assume that Philbin, having been in Miami for a year, is a little lower on the totem pole then Ireland who has been there for 6.

Just because they worked together doesn't mean they couldn't disagree. They did come to a consensus which was to keep Cog so someone in the personnel organization over-ruled Philbin.

If you have a meeting where it is to decide to keep or not keep Cog. Philbin says I want him gone but is over-ruled by others...
For Philbin to go out of that and bury Cog in the depth chart comes off as passive aggressive and likely damaging to his position in the organization.
As a 1st year HC my point is he likely does not have the status in the organization to unilaterally make that decision.

You obviously haven't been paying attention. That isn't the power structure. The GM answers to Ross and the HC answers to Ross. They are a tandem with equal power between them.

The problem Fisher had is that he wanted the GM to answer to HIM, not that he didn't want to answer to the GM. He was never going to answer to Ireland, he just wanted to be top of the pyramid, instead of sharing that power.

 

[nick1]

Aside from he and his family's character flaws, let's closely examine this last game in particular. Do any of you realize that if Brian Hartline, Ryan Tannehill and Sam Brenner did not beg him to throw a red flag on the Hartline TD he would not have? That is 6 points he and the officials would have cost this team which would have resulted in a loss. Much like the challenge he failed to make against New England on that Rishard Matthews catch in the third quarter which would have put the Dolphins in field goal range. A Head Coach HAS TO put his team in position to win EVERY game. And you do that by making sound decisions on the sidelines. So let's slow down on him winning back anybody.

how do you know? it was an easy challenge I have no doubt he would have challenged it. you can nitpick alot of other things about Philbin but this isn't one of those, your disdain for Philbin blinds you

 

[FSU Truth]

I'm still not sold on him, but I respect the job he is doing and what he has done to keep this team focused going forward.

 

[trojanma]

You obviously haven't been paying attention. That isn't the power structure. The GM answers to Ross and the HC answers to Ross. They are a tandem with equal power between them.

The problem Fisher had is that he wanted the GM to answer to HIM, not that he didn't want to answer to the GM. He was never going to answer to Ireland, he just wanted to be top of the pyramid, instead of sharing that power.

Straw man argument

Doesn't change my point that I do not think that Philbin had the authority to reverse a consensus decision after being in the organization for one year.

 

[SkapePhin]

Straw man argument

Doesn't change my point that I do not think that Philbin had the authority to reverse a consensus decision after being in the organization for one year.

Wtf is straw man about that? I was explaining the power structure...

 

[TealAttack13]

I'm still falling out of love with him, but lets see how the next 3 games go.