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He who shall not be named!

DolfanTom said:
we overlook Bolden and pick Moore (who was a reach, bigtime!) ...
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The big (and false) assumption here is that Bolden's future success was obvious to everyone except Wanny. That is obviously wrong since he lasted as long as he did. Also, I recently found two pre-draft rankings that had Moore ranked ahead of Boldin and ahead of other LBs that were drafted ahead of him.

I also found a post-draft analysis that said Miami was lucky the Moore was still available.

Drafting is not, and never will be, an exact science. Overall, Wanny was not as successful as he needed to be, but to single out one selection is absurd.
 
I got tired of "He-shall-not-be-named" repeteadly running Ricky up the middle on 3rd and SIX and everyone including my dog could figure that one out. :yell: :fire:
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
I have no problem with the job he did as coach. His problem was as a GM. I didn't like the idea of one person with both jobs with Shula, JJ, or Wanny. That is my biggest concern with the new regime. I believe coaches should coach.

Shula remained a great coach even when the talent he acquired was not keeping pace. JJ brought in some good talent on defense, but his performance as HC was average (He wasted the end of Marino's career). Wanny did a good job as COACH in his first 4 years. 41 wins with average talent is a good job.
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I guess winning regular games and beating scrubs makes a good coach as far as you're concerned. Not in my books. If you can't make your team an elite team every year by getting to the sb, you have no business being a HC especially when you had the leagues best rb, and a probowl filled D that couldn't seal the deal when it counted the most.


death7star said:
no way that guy still has FANS.
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:D
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
The big (and false) assumption here is that Bolden's future success was obvious to everyone except Wanny. That is obviously wrong since he lasted as long as he did. Also, I recently found two pre-draft rankings that had Moore ranked ahead of Boldin and ahead of other LBs that were drafted ahead of him.

I also found a post-draft analysis that said Miami was lucky the Moore was still available.

Drafting is not, and never will be, an exact science. Overall, Wanny was not as successful as he needed to be, but to single out one selection is absurd.
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OK, you are entitled to your opinion, of course. If that's the way you saw it, I don't know what to say. We agree to disagree on ... well, you know.
 
DolfanTom said:
I used to think so too about "He-who-shall-not-be-named" (you didn't follow the rules :lol: ), but the reality is he never could win the big games! That is what held us back, especially in '00 and '01 when we had a real shot. Then, at the end of '02, he couldn't pull out just one win from the last two games. Granted, it's not all his fault, but he was the guy in charge!
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Well that depends on what you call a big game. How about the Raider game in '02? the Denver game in '02? playoff game against the Colts in 2000? The talent in 2000 and 2001 was very average. They were the first two years in the post-Marino era. We had another coaching change. etc. etc.

They went 22-10 those two years. They were near the tops in the league. Do you really think they had top talent?
 
Roman529 said:
I got tired of "He-shall-not-be-named" repeteadly running Ricky up the middle on 3rd and SIX and everyone including my dog could figure that one out. :yell: :fire:
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Yet he gets blamed for throwing three passes at the end of the Pats game in 2002......

When you are lacking in talent, you have a lot fewer options.
 
Justasportsfan said:
If you can't make your team an elite team every year by getting to the sb, you have no business being a HC
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?????

Why aren't 30 coaches fired every year?
 
DolfanTom said:
OK, you are entitled to your opinion, of course. If that's the way you saw it, I don't know what to say. We agree to disagree on ... well, you know.
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That's the point, it is not how I saw it. It's so-called experts. The same type of people you are referring to when you say Moore was not ranked highly before the draft.
 
He-shall-not-be-named (aka mustached moron) defintely ran dumb plays. His favorite was the quick out to the reciever which fiedler could never throw. I will never miss seeing those plays....or the 3rd and 6 runs up the middle.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Well that depends on what you call a big game. How about the Raider game in '02? the Denver game in '02? playoff game against the Colts in 2000? The talent in 2000 and 2001 was very average. They were the first two years in the post-Marino era. We had another coaching change. etc. etc.

They went 22-10 those two years. They were near the tops in the league. Do you really think they had top talent?
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6 probowlers on D , the best rb and Fiedler who he as a caoch annointed as starter?

Problem here is you are trying to separate his GM and coaching duties when in fact he goes out and get's the players thinking as HC and using his GM powers to attain them. As a HC he insisted on Fielder, as a HC he took Eddie Moore over Boldin. As a HC with a defensive mind , he overspent on the D and neglected the O. As a HC he would over ride Norv Turners moves/ calls. As a HC he insisted on Chris Foerster.

As a HC he insisted on a conservative D. As a HC he had the final say as far as having a one dimensional O by running RW and settling w/ Fiedler.
 
Justasportsfan said:
6 probowlers on D , the best rb and Fiedler who he as a caoch annointed as starter?

Problem here is you are trying to separate his GM and coaching duties when in fact he goes out and get's the players thinking as HC and using his GM powers to attain them. As a HC he insisted on Fielder, as a HC he took Eddie Moore over Boldin. As a HC with a defensive mind , he overspent on the D and neglected the O. As a HC he would over ride Norv Turners moves/ calls. As a HC he insisted on Chris Foerster.
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more drivel from you. I've already shot down every one of your arguments. GM and HC ARE DIFFERENT JOBS.

Justasportsfan said:
As a HC he would over ride Norv Turners moves/ calls.
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Please backup this statement. Any quote from a credible source will do.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Yet he gets blamed for throwing three passes at the end of the Pats game in 2002......

When you are lacking in talent, you have a lot fewer options.
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well who insisted on making Fiedler the starter? Wanny the GM or Wanny the HC?
 
Justasportsfan said:
well who insisted on making Fiedler the starter? Wanny the GM or Wanny the HC?
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Wanny the HC. His selections in each of the first 4 years were correct (last year was debatable). But his choice over Huard, Lucas, Griese (by the way he performed in Miami) were correct.
 
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