He who shall not be named!

[Justasportsfan]

more drivel from you. I've already shot down every one of your arguments. GM and HC ARE DIFFERENT JOBS. .

Coach: I need a qb
GM: NO you need a wr.
COACH: No
GM: NO.

Separate? Wanny was talking to hmself.

You shot down nothing. Why didn't you just try to shoot down what I just said instead of making claims?

You can't tell me that Mueller will go out and grab whoever he wants against Saban's will or PATS GM do the same thing with BB. :shakeno: The GM won't get any player he wants without the coaches input.

 

[Ohio Fanatic]

i agree, like when he got chambers, mcmichael, booker, boston, seau, welker, and more?

he did not "get" boston, booker, or welker, so your list is severely shortened.

 

[DolfanTom]

Don't forget - "He who ..." also ruined the Bears with his poor talent evaluation skills! Remember when the Bears had no Pro Bowlers in "He who's" last season there?

He-who the GM could've made a better push at Hasselback as well. Now there's a QB. Instead we get Feebler for five years, and quotes like "What throws can (Trent Green) make that Jay can't make." :rofl3: :rofl3: :rofl3: :fire:

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

You can't tell me that Mueller will go out and grab whoever he wants against Saban's will or PATS GM do the same thing with BB. :shakeno: The GM won't get any player he wants without the coaches input.

Mueller reports to Saban and Pioli reports to Belichick. Your examples make no sense.

If you want to see a real world example of the difference, please refer to the coaching career of Mike Holmgren. Check out his record with the Packers (with Ron Wolf as GM) and the Seahawks (where he has full control).

He is not suddenly a worse coach. He has less talent to work with than he had in GB. He is the example of what usually happens when a coach takes on GM responsibilities.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

LOL. I just finished the last book so it's pretty appropriate for me. Honestly, I am tired of talking about what could have been, who we missed on in the draft etc. I agree it is time to move forward and enjoy the journey of a whole new regime. I believe we are headed in the right direction, which is something I couldn't say when You Know Who and the one before You Know Who was here.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

I have no problem with the job he did as coach. His problem was as a GM. I didn't like the idea of one person with both jobs with Shula, JJ, or Wanny. That is my biggest concern with the new regime. I believe coaches should coach.

Shula remained a great coach even when the talent he acquired was not keeping pace. JJ brought in some good talent on defense, but his performance as HC was average (He wasted the end of Marino's career). Wanny did a good job as COACH in his first 4 years. 41 wins with average talent is a good job.

You really think so? It didnt bother you that we never seemed to make any halftime adjustments? That not only did we never seem to specifically gameplan for our opponents weaknesses but that we also seemed to be unaware of the fact that they would gameplan for us? How about the classic statement after the snowbowl....."the cold and the snow really were not conducive to running the ball"?
Does this sound like Im describing a "good" coach?

 

[Roman529]

He-Who had talent he just didn't know how to use it...our defense alone was good enough to get us to a SB....look at the Ravens the year they won it....we had as good a D and as good an offense.....He-Who couldn't make it work. :yell:

 

[Justasportsfan]

Mueller reports to Saban and Pioli reports to Belichick. Your examples make no sense.

Makes no sense to you.

If you want to see a real world example of the difference, please refer to the coaching career of Mike Holmgren. Check out his record with the Packers (with Ron Wolf as GM) and the Seahawks (where he has full control).

He is not suddenly a worse coach. He has less talent to work with than he had in GB. He is the example of what usually happens when a coach takes on GM responsibilities.

Don't even use Holmgren as an example, Holmgren has a SB and Wanny couldn't beat the best teams in the league which you have failed to address. Wanny assessed the talent what he had on the field and went for what he thought would help his team on the field without having to answer to anyone since he was the GM.

Yes, I agree that having too much responsibilities is not the way to go but even when the GM job was taken away from him, he led the Fins to the worst record of it's entire history. How do you explain that?

How is he considered a good coach when he ran 2 teams to the ground. He even quit out of embarrassment. Your opinions does not match the end result.


You can try to spin it every way you want but Wanny actions goes against every opinion you have of him by quitting in the middle of the season.Should I refer to JT's comments of this years team compared to Wanny's team from last year? Who do you think RW blammed for his quitting in the first place?

 

[Justasportsfan]

Oops, sorry for mentioning the name :hitself:

 

['Phins & 'Canes]

"Wanda, don't call me stupid!" -- Otto

 

[DolfanTom]

You really think so? It didnt bother you that we never seemed to make any halftime adjustments? That not only did we never seem to specifically gameplan for our opponents weaknesses but that we also seemed to be unaware of the fact that they would gameplan for us? How about the classic statement after the snowbowl....."the cold and the snow really were not conducive to running the ball"?
Does this sound like Im describing a "good" coach?

Amen! I'm so looking forwad to finally having a coach who can at least give us a fighting chance game-plan wise each week (not to mention in-game adjustments), rather than being outcoached by every one of the top coaches when it mattered.

 

[DolfanTom]

LOL. I just finished the last book so it's pretty appropriate for me. Honestly, I am tired of talking about what could have been, who we missed on in the draft etc. I agree it is time to move forward and enjoy the journey of a whole new regime. I believe we are headed in the right direction, which is something I couldn't say when You Know Who and the one before You Know Who was here.

:rofl3: :rofl3: :rofl3: I had forgotten about THAT You Know Who.

Exactly, I am very excited about the new direction. At least this season, we'll have a chance each week. How many times could we say that last season.

 

[Fin D]

Mueller reports to Saban and Pioli reports to Belichick. Your examples make no sense.

If you want to see a real world example of the difference, please refer to the coaching career of Mike Holmgren. Check out his record with the Packers (with Ron Wolf as GM) and the Seahawks (where he has full control).

He is not suddenly a worse coach. He has less talent to work with than he had in GB. He is the example of what usually happens when a coach takes on GM responsibilities.

WOW!

Forget for a second his horrible track record as a GM. What exactly made him a good coach? Did he have good game plans? No, he had a philosophy that never changed no matter the opponent. Did he inspire his players to play beyond their potential? No, between December fades and lack of playoff success, all he inspired was complacentcy (sp?). Did he ever take a stance on anything other than his flawed philosophy? No.

We won games, but never any that we shouldn't of won. He neglected the o-line and stuck with Fiedler, because he knew the offense would never be opened up. I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but he has zero business being a modern day NFL coach...maybe 15-20 years ago, but not now.

Anyone not willing to bend no matter what is a complete moron and responsible for their own failures.

Consider this, why did we go 10-6 one year and then 4-12 the next with the same talent except at the neglected o-line?

 

[yankeehillbilly]

WOW!

Forget for a second his horrible track record as a GM. What exactly made him a good coach? Did he have good game plans? No, he had a philosophy that never changed no matter the opponent. Did he inspire his players to play beyond their potential? No, between December fades and lack of playoff success, all he inspired was complacentcy (sp?). Did he ever take a stance on anything other than his flawed philosophy? No.

We won games, but never any that we shouldn't of won. He neglected the o-line and stuck with Fiedler, because he knew the offense would never be opened up. I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but he has zero business being a modern day NFL coach...maybe 15-20 years ago, but not now.

Anyone not willing to bend no matter what is a complete moron and responsible for their own failures.

Consider this, why did we go 10-6 one year and then 4-12 the next with the same talent except at the neglected o-line?

well, there was that little issue with Ricky

 

[Fin D]

well, there was that little issue with Ricky

True, but let's be serious how much better off would have been with him last year, with that line?