Head Coaching Candidates: Just In Case

[SkapePhin]

Can we bring in Rex at DC and keep Lazor at OC and just not have a head coach? Seriously, I wouldn't want Rex having any part in the offense. The same way that Lazor prob has no clue how to run a defense.

The issue also becomes do we get rid of Hickey and start fresh or keep patching this awful staff? New coach would have to like Hickey to take the job most likely.

I almost think Lazor as HC with Rex at DC would work.

Lazor does seem to have the qualities you want in a HC, he just doesn't have the resume yet to warrant it. I see him in a similar way to John Harbaugh, who had all the qualities you wanted in a HC, but was an out of the box hire in that capacity because of his resume as only an ST coach.


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[ChambersWI]

I recoil in horror at some of the names on that list.

Vic Fangio will be a hot name this offseason I think. He failed in his previous pro job to the 49ers job -- leading the defense for the first three Texans teams -- but before that he had been a very good coordinator for the Colts and Panthers. He's a much more legitimate HC candidate than Matt Patricia, for example, who strikes me as just another one of Bill Belichick's snot-nosed, hyper-arrogant jagoffs.

Brian Schottenheimer is a waterhead. He needed to go. But hiring Sparano was an epic fail. Rex has shown over and over again that he doesn't understand offense. I think he just wanted someone who would run the football and had been impressed by the Wildcat. Oops. But if you can find him an OC that really knows what he's doing I think Rex is a great coach. Look at what he's done without really having anything better than a mediocre offense every year he's been the Jets coach, and with a talent base that seems to erode every year.

I like Fangio but I'm under the impression that he isn't interested in becoming a head coach. Greg Roman on the other hand is almost desperate for a head coaching gig.

And I don't think Rex gets another head coaching gig for a bit unless he goes to the college ranks.

 

[TheWalrus]

I like Fangio but I'm under the impression that he isn't interested in becoming a head coach. Greg Roman on the other hand is almost desperate for a head coaching gig.

And I don't think Rex gets another head coaching gig for a bit unless he goes to the college ranks.

Roman won't get one any time soon. Harbaugh runs the offense and everyone knows it. Nobody wants to give the next Marty Mornhinweg his first shot.

I haven't heard that about Fangio but I suppose it wouldn't shock me. With his resume you've got to assume people have come calling before now. Then again it took much longer than it should have for Mike Zimmer to get his first shot.

 

[ChambersWI]

Zimmer apparently had a similar issue to Rex where his attitude rubbed people the wrong way. I can't speak much about Zimmer but I've heard stories about how owners and GMs came out of interviews with Rex hating his guts

 

[TheWalrus]

Zimmer apparently had a similar issue to Rex where his attitude rubbed people the wrong way. I can't speak much about Zimmer but I've heard stories about how owners and GMs came out of interviews with Rex hating his guts

I've read similar about Zimmer. "Too honest", etc. Well, it turns out if you're in the process of hiring a new coach then your team probably isn't that "close", which is what a lot of these dip**** owners want to hear, and few seem as vulnerable to it as Ross. Patches, always patches. The team and the stadium alike. Anybody who comes in with that message gets his (gigantic) ear. I think it's because he's feeling his age and worries about not being around long enough to do it the right way. Unfortunately it's a self defeating mentality that only pushes a real solution farther into the future.

Rex isn't for everybody but his players always seem to love him and want to play for him. Woody Johnson was smart enough to figure it out and it's possible he's the dumbest person who currently owns an NFL team. I mean, we're talking a real dingbat. And yet he's pushing Rex away and as soon as he does that will sound the bell for at least a decade of terrible Jets football. Not that I'm complaining.

 

[trojanma]

Pete Carrolls first two years in Seattle were a pair of 7-9 records. I guess if FH had been in charge the call would have been to fire him.

At the end of the day you need to give a coach a chance to build a program.
I view this regime not as just Joe Philbin but as the whole staff.
Are they perfect? a finished product?
Absolutely not, but if you see growth then you need to give this regime a chance to grow.

Spare me the condescending posts like "If you don't see Philbin as a failure you don't get it". No one knows what the future is. We are all a bunch of glorified amateurs on an internet message board.
I don't have any loyalty to Joe Philbin, I want results.
Philbin gets the season to show that he can make this team better than the year before.

8-8 or less you reset.
10-6 or more you keep them

As much as people want to hope and prey or believe drivel by JLC. It is highly highly unlikely that Jim or John Harbaugh is coming here.
If he was I would be right there with you taking a hard look.
But resetting a franchise that is on the upswing simply to get some shiny coordinator just to appease your sense of adventure is bad business.

 

[Hayden Fox]

Frank Reich would be an interesting candidate.

 

[TheWalrus]

Pete Carrolls first two years in Seattle were a pair of 7-9 records. I guess if FH had been in charge the call would have been to fire him.

At the end of the day you need to give a coach a chance to build a program.
I view this regime not as just Joe Philbin but as the whole staff.
Are they perfect? a finished product?
Absolutely not, but if you see growth then you need to give this regime a chance to grow.

Spare me the condescending posts like "If you don't see Philbin as a failure you don't get it". No one knows what the future is. We are all a bunch of glorified amateurs on an internet message board.
I don't have any loyalty to Joe Philbin, I want results.
Philbin gets the season to show that he can make this team better than the year before.

8-8 or less you reset.
10-6 or more you keep them

As much as people want to hope and prey or believe drivel by JLC. It is highly highly unlikely that Jim or John Harbaugh is coming here.
If he was I would be right there with you taking a hard look.
But resetting a franchise that is on the upswing simply to get some shiny coordinator just to appease your sense of adventure is bad business.

You could see even very early on that Carroll was building something in Seattle. That first 7-9 won the division with that record and backed it up by actually winning a playoff game. That second 7-9 team had a top 10 defense after having a bottom 10 defense the year before. They had something. You could see they were making good draft picks and were building a nucleus that had the potentially to really become good.

There's nothing like that here. What are we building? Where are the young guys with the potential to be great? What is Philbin showing that he's contributing? What are his special skills?

 

[trojanma]

I almost think Lazor as HC with Rex at DC would work.

Lazor does seem to have the qualities you want in a HC, he just doesn't have the resume yet to warrant it. I see him in a similar way to John Harbaugh, who had all the qualities you wanted in a HC, but was an out of the box hire in that capacity because of his resume as only an ST coach.


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The one advantage Lazor has is that you basically have a year to really dissect if he has the work ethic, intelligence and intangibles to be a Head Coach.
It would be an incredibly bold, perhaps reckless move.
Typically young coordinators fail much more often than they succeed in making that leap.

Regardless if we did that we basically would have to accept some on the job growing pains.

John Harbaugh was a home run, but Ozzie Newsome is one of the best in the biz so I trust his opinion much more than I do our brain trust.

 

[trojanma]

You could see even very early on that Carroll was building something in Seattle. That first 7-9 won the division with that record and backed it up by actually winning a playoff game. That second 7-9 team had a top 10 defense after having a bottom 10 defense the year before. They had something. You could see they were making good draft picks and were building a nucleus that had the potentially to really become good.

There's nothing like that here. What are we building? Where are the young guys with the potential to be great? What is Philbin showing that he's contributing? What are his special skills?

Several players have made incremental gains in this regime.
Clay
Vernon
Jones
Misi
Jenkins
Miller

I actually am seeing a lot more player growth and player development now under this regime than the previous one.
When you add that we finally have a synergistic relationship between HC and GM and hungry young coordinators there is a chance that we are building something.

In regards to the bolded question. No one knows the answer to that? I am not sitting in Davie. The only way I can measure progress is by our record. Not some attempt to decipher the tea leaves from interviews.

 

[ChambersWI]

For the record I hope that at the end of the year we can all come back to my list and laugh about even thinking we need a coaching change.

I'm not as down on Philbin as some people are but I'm not as high on him as I was when we hired him. There are different reasons for that.

 

[trojanma]

Frank Reich would be an interesting candidate.

I agree. I wish he had a little more experience

 

[Hayden Fox]

I threw this out there with VIP, but what are peoples thought on:
Mike Dantonio?
He has built Michigan St. into a winner.
He develops a bunch NFL qbs and NFL players in general.
Seems like a solid choice.

Solid coach.

 

[Vaark]

For me Little Schotty is a no go; there are some alluring names on that list including the 2 Pete Carroll proteges. If Lazor does well - i.e. discernibly better than our record if Philbin is to go, IMO he should be in prime consideration, especially if Hickey feels he could work with him.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

There's nothing like that here. What are we building? Where are the young guys with the potential to be great? What is Philbin showing that he's contributing? What are his special skills?

What are we building: I don't know.

Where are the young guys with the potential to be great: I'll take my lumps and say that Ryan Tannehill is that guy. As is... uh, okay, that's a tough one.

What is Philbin showing that he's contributing: Well, after being forced to fire Mike Sherman and Jim Turner, he's shown that he can hire good and/or promising assistant coaches when the owner forces him to dump the nepotistic turd hires.

What are his special skills: He's really good at winning coach's challenges.

:idk:

I'm honestly really rooting for Joe. I want him to do well. I want him to prove me wrong, and unlike some of the people who say that about Ryan Tannehill, I actually freaking mean it. I just don't see it.