Head Coaching Candidates: Just In Case

[TheWalrus]

Bowing Out of the Conversation!
A little intellectually sanctimonious are we?

I do not know if Philbin will succeed or not. No one does. Including You.
We are not tracking the movement of the stars here.
All I have said is if the record is 10-6 or better, then he deserves to stay because it means this regime has shown three years of growth.
Without access to the internal workings of the regime, the record, as the sum execution, of the regime is what we have.
So yes there are more data points like you suggest but there are so many hidden data points that how can you possibly know what are the factors behind the "data points" that you are relying on. Its called a confounder, and science is riddled with failed experiments because people fail to take them into account.

It is not fair to compare the record of Philbin and Sparano.
The only reason Sparano's record is not significantly lower is because of his anomalous record in 2008 which I am sure you recall included: the Wildcat(which was effective in winning us a few games early on), Chad Pennington falling in our lap, Brady being injured and a historically weak scheduled as a consequence of our 1-15 season.

Philbin, on the other hand, has been saddled with that asshat Jeff Ireland who built a roster so crappy that we had an unprecedented amount of UDFA make the team this year.

In fact if Ireland had just listened to Joe and used that 2nd rounder(plus our original 12th pick) on Brandon Albert last year perhaps our offense would have been perpetually stuck in the mud and Bullygate might not ever had happened.

We all admitted that this was the first season where we actually have the offensive linemen that could actually execute what Joe wants to do!

So you lecture about the hazards of confounders yet you claim to know exactly why Sparano's record is actually better than Philbin's? Or do confounders cease to exist when they back up the point you want to make?

Just drop the act already. These are all opinions. I could have a bug under Joe Philbin's desk and a chip installed on Steve Ross' reptile brain with a printout of his thoughts and my judgement of what goes on inside the building -- who's responsible for what, and why -- would still be an opinion. Your search for hardline unimpeachable evidence is dead on the vine... a conceit designed to shroud opinions you disagree with a ****mist when no version of the factual evidence you seek even potentially exists. Meanwhile the guy who supposedly has all the information gave Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano contract extensions and hired Joe Philbin. Somehow "knowing" what you claim is necessary to know isn't everything.

Like I said, if you want to rely on the record exclusively go ahead. But why are you elaborating, then?

 

[Hayden Fox]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hue_Jackson

The guy has a fascinating resume.
I mean to go out in 2012 and be a secondary and assistant special teams coach.

I know JD has concern from his time in Oakland, but that is such a bizzare regime that it could have been a free for all.

Going 8-8 in Oakland is almost like winning the Super Bowl for some coaches.

 

[TheWalrus]

Ok, Ive read your posts....but the first clue anyone should cling on to is that his wife put it out there that oakland would be tits. just ignore I guess. That man doesnt want to come here. Ross will make himself look stupid once again.

As I recall when the Raiders called Harbaugh the first time -- when he was at Stanford -- he wouldn't even take the call. And I fail to see how an organization that's been run on the cheap is suddenly going to muster up the cash to make Harbaugh the highest paid coach in the league.

 

[trojanma]

Of course it is all opinion. This is what I have been saying from the get go.

I have nothing against Philbin. I want him to succeed because it means the Dolphins will succeed.
But if he fails then I agree that we need to move on.

 

[TheWalrus]

Of course it is all opinion. This is what I have been saying from the get go.

I have nothing against Philbin. I want him to succeed because it means the Dolphins will succeed.
But if he fails then I agree that we need to move on.

He has already failed... or perhaps more accurately already shown himself to be a failure.

The only question is how long it's going to take everyone -- Ross in particular -- before they realize it.

 

[DefensiveEnd76]

I say we bring Cam back for redemption and fail forward faster.


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I want the meatball fistpumper back ...LOL

 

[houtz]

Where does the board stand on Mike Shanahan?

I can think of a handful of coaches I'd prefer, but I can't help but think his pro style offense is exactly what this team needs. He's a big get that would most likely require total control. But after being dropped by Washington I think the hunger is still there.

Tannehill has always reminded me a bit of Plummer and we saw the success he had with Shanny back in Denver. I was one that wanted Fisher bad three years ago, isn't Shanahan a better all around HC?

 

[DefensiveEnd76]

I think it's pretty simple though. If we don't make the playoffs then Philbin is a goner. If we do, he gets another season.

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Where does the board stand on Mike Shanahan?

I can think of a handful of coaches I'd prefer, but I can't help but think his pro style offense is exactly what this team needs. He's a big get that would most likely require total control. But after being dropped by Washington I think the hunger is still there.

Tannehill has always reminded me a bit of Plummer and we saw the success he had with Shanny back in Denver. I was one that wanted Fisher bad three years ago, isn't Shanahan a better all around HC?

I think Shanahan is washed up. Seems like the players in Washington hated him when he left there.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Hue Jackson would be a good fit.

I think I've been by far the most vocal against Hue Jackson (was so in 2012) because of the way he sort of made a power play in Oakland when Al Davis died, and then said some nasty things about Mark Davis. I thought that was pretty crass and called his judgment into question. I still do.

But as long as our owner doesn't croak with no power structure in place...

Raiders 2004-2013

#18 scoring offense, 5 wins
#23 scoring offense, 4 wins
#32 scoring offense, 2 wins
#23 scoring offense, 4 wins
#29 scoring offense, 5 wins
#31 scoring offense, 5 wins
#6 scoring offense, 8 wins
#16 scoring offense, 8 wins
#26 scoring offense, 4 wins
#24 scoring offense, 4 wins

The two years they weren't complete ****? Hue Jackson offensive coordinator, Hue Jackson head coach. His QBs during that run were Jason Campbell (yup) and Carson Palmer coming out of retirement. Not only did he make chicken sald out of chicken **** with the Raiders offensive personnel, when he was the head coach he actually got 8 wins out of the Oakland Raiders.

I still have my concerns, but if we're at the point where we're talking about guys like Adam Gase? Bring him in for an interview.

 

[TheWalrus]

I think it's pretty simple though. If we don't make the playoffs then Philbin is a goner. If we do, he gets another season.

Every Dolphins fan who lived through the Saban era shouldn't have to be reminded how early these things start. Make the decision early and prepare, especially if you're going to target a college coach like Malzahn.

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Where does the board stand on Mike Shanahan?

I can think of a handful of coaches I'd prefer, but I can't help but think his pro style offense is exactly what this team needs. He's a big get that would most likely require total control. But after being dropped by Washington I think the hunger is still there.

Tannehill has always reminded me a bit of Plummer and we saw the success he had with Shanny back in Denver. I was one that wanted Fisher bad three years ago, isn't Shanahan a better all around HC?

uke: pretty much sums it up.

 

[trojanma]

Where does the board stand on Mike Shanahan?

I can think of a handful of coaches I'd prefer, but I can't help but think his pro style offense is exactly what this team needs. He's a big get that would most likely require total control. But after being dropped by Washington I think the hunger is still there.

Tannehill has always reminded me a bit of Plummer and we saw the success he had with Shanny back in Denver. I was one that wanted Fisher bad three years ago, isn't Shanahan a better all around HC?

I really don't want any guy who is going to want all the power. Especially someone as old as Shanahan.
The redskins thing had to take a lot out of him.
At the end of the day I think I want someone with a little more tread on their tires.

 

[TheWalrus]

I think I've been by far the most vocal against Hue Jackson (was so in 2012) because of the way he sort of made a power play in Oakland when Al Davis died, and then said some nasty things about Mark Davis. I thought that was pretty crass and called his judgment into question. I still do.

But as long as our owner doesn't croak with no power structure in place...

Raiders 2004-2013

#18 scoring offense, 5 wins
#23 scoring offense, 4 wins
#32 scoring offense, 2 wins
#23 scoring offense, 4 wins
#29 scoring offense, 5 wins
#31 scoring offense, 5 wins
#6 scoring offense, 8 wins
#16 scoring offense, 8 wins
#26 scoring offense, 4 wins
#24 scoring offense, 4 wins

The two years they weren't complete ****? Hue Jackson offensive coordinator, Hue Jackson head coach. His QBs during that run were Jason Campbell (yup) and Carson Palmer coming out of retirement. Not only did he make chicken sald out of chicken **** with the Raiders offensive personnel, when he was the head coach he actually got 8 wins out of the Oakland Raiders.

I still have my concerns, but if we're at the point where we're talking about guys like Adam Gase? Bring him in for an interview.

He didn't sort of make a power play, he totally did. And he ****ed up the franchise so bad he got Dennis Allen fired, too. He's a good OC, don't get me wrong. Especially with the running game. But as an HC the guy is douchecanoe.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Yeah, I know. But... I have more and more respect for him as a coach the more I look into it. As long as you have a clear power structure in place, I'd look long and hard at him at this point.

I'll take a coach with warts as long as he's not another Cam Cam, Meatball, or Uncle Joe.

Where does the board stand on Mike Shanahan?

I can think of a handful of coaches I'd prefer, but I can't help but think his pro style offense is exactly what this team needs. He's a big get that would most likely require total control. But after being dropped by Washington I think the hunger is still there.

Tannehill has always reminded me a bit of Plummer and we saw the success he had with Shanny back in Denver. I was one that wanted Fisher bad three years ago, isn't Shanahan a better all around HC?

If we're going to go that route why don't we just skip the middle man and bring in Gary Kubiak?

 

[trojanma]

I think I've been by far the most vocal against Hue Jackson (was so in 2012) because of the way he sort of made a power play in Oakland when Al Davis died, and then said some nasty things about Mark Davis. I thought that was pretty crass and called his judgment into question. I still do.

But as long as our owner doesn't croak with no power structure in place...

Raiders 2004-2013

#18 scoring offense, 5 wins
#23 scoring offense, 4 wins
#32 scoring offense, 2 wins
#23 scoring offense, 4 wins
#29 scoring offense, 5 wins
#31 scoring offense, 5 wins
#6 scoring offense, 8 wins
#16 scoring offense, 8 wins
#26 scoring offense, 4 wins
#24 scoring offense, 4 wins

The two years they weren't complete ****? Hue Jackson offensive coordinator, Hue Jackson head coach. His QBs during that run were Jason Campbell (yup) and Carson Palmer coming out of retirement. Not only did he make chicken sald out of chicken **** with the Raiders offensive personnel, when he was the head coach he actually got 8 wins out of the Oakland Raiders.

I still have my concerns, but if we're at the point where we're talking about guys like Adam Gase? Bring him in for an interview.

Seriously. How can you really hold the Raiders saga against him, considering the Oakland Raiders at the death of Al Davis had to resemble Ancient Rome right before the fall.

I am just so intrigued that a guy can turn around at the age of 46 agree to coach Db's and special teams after being an offensive lifer.
That shows a remarkable amount of mental plasticity.
Compared that to Dan Quinn who essentially spent his entire career as a defensive line coach.

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He didn't sort of make a power play, he totally did. And he ****ed up the franchise so bad he got Dennis Allen fired, too. He's a good OC, don't get me wrong. Especially with the running game. But as an HC the guy is douchecanoe.

Sounds like you simply need to connect him with a strong GM and you are set. Just keep him away from the personnel decisions.

 

[TheWalrus]

Sounds like you simply need to connect him with a strong GM and you are set. Just keep him away from the personnel decisions.

Head coaches are inexorably tied to personnel decisions. When the decision makers get in a room you can't afford to have even one guy stupid enough to be willing to give up a first and second rounder for Carson ****ing Palmer and then declare it "the greatest trade in the history of football" (or something like that). It's unpardonable. I don't trust him and he shouldn't be a head coach for anyone except the New York Jets.