Here’s How The Dolphins’ Rookie Draft Picks Are Doing Compared With Players Bypassed

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  1. DKphin

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    The Dolphins have made a bundle of questionable moves on high draft picks in recent years, choosing Charles Harris over Takkarist McKinley and T.J. Watt, Dion Jordan over Ezekiel Ansah, DeVante Parker over Melvin Gordon, among other moves they might like to do over.
    So how do the Dolphins’ draft decisions this year stack up so far more than halfway through the season? Not perfect, but not bad at all. Examining:

    https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article220987420.html
     
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    The draft, with FEW exceptions, is nothing more than a crap-shoot.
     
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    EVERY team has a lot of those 'could have' picks
     
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    I remember when the draft had 12-14 rounds for each team (28 teams at that time), and good players were found DEEP into the draft.
     
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    Not really, some teams actually draft well. Sure with hindsight every team could do better but look at the saints draft from 2017, great draft and a big reason why they are doing so well. Oh and then add in Michael Thomas as a second rounder the year prior.
     
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    Every team will hit and miss but the problem with the Dolphins seems to be that they always miss at the same positions. The best example is the O-line where we have not drafted well at all. TE has been a problem for years. Pass rusher has been a problem for years too. QB has been a problem but not because of drafting the wrong guy but rather for not drafting one at all.
     
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    Charles Harris was in a tough spot for us. TJ Watt had better, more natural hands but wasn't a fit in a 4-3. Harris had a crappy 3 cone and yet had the best first step in the draft due to an uncanny anticipation of the snap count.

    There was a blurb mentioned by Louis Tee in his youtube draft breakdown of Charles Harris that he thought Harris' play speed was diminished by his attempts to play at a heavier weight. I tend to agree. Harris needs to stay in the low 250's if you want him to sack the QB. He's in a kind of no man's land between Jason Taylor and Marco Coleman; he can't set the edge or display any kind of pass rush prowess.

    He's strictly a pass rush specialist and should be allowed to drop weight.

    The drafting lately has been the best I've seen in Miami and really believe that Harris was the best option at the time. It's what coaches do after they're drafted that has me scratching my head sometimes.
     
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    Stretch it out over a decade and the hit rate is all pretty much the same. Teams with stability in coaches/system tend to do better, especially with later round picks where you target specific attributes. The real killer is missing out on those transcendent talents like Brees and Rodgers, but even in those cases who can really say if they would have been the same player in Miami.
     
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    Does this mean we should give back Laremy Tunsil, Xavien Howard and Minkah Fitzpatrick?

    Nothing like the "what if" crowd.

    I didn't know missing out on Melvin Gordon was a thing. 3.9 YPC really impresses some people. I wanted Marcus Peters and I am still not upset about it, that year's 1st round class SUCKED. I know no one cares about missing out on Mike Williams, should be mentioned in the same breathe.

    FWIW, Dolphins don't go to the playoffs in 2016 if Devante Parker doesn't make the game winning catch against the Rams in the rain.

    Are we just giving Pittsburgh credit for TJ Watt and ignoring the Bud Dupree, Artie Burns and Terrell Edmunds selections?

    If you weren't pounding the table for a specific player (and can prove it) then you shouldn't be talking in hind sight.
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    Pro Football Focus rates Fitzpatrick 38th among all cornerbacks, but he leads NFL cornerbacks in passer rating against (50.3)


    How's that possible?
     
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    There ought to also be a list of Miami drafted 'A' and dodged drafting name-of-a-bust.
     
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    He plays for the Fins.
     
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    Couldn't disagree more. Some teams draft better than others, stretch out the Dolphins draft picks over the last decade and then compare that to the Packers or Seahawks and there is a massive difference. Those teams draft pro bowlers, the Dolphins are lucky to even overpay and sign a pro bowler in free agency, let alone draft a few.
     
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    Yeah I don’t get the Melvin Ingram stuff. Dude added a bunch of bad weight his last year at Wisconsin to show scouts he could run inside as a lead back in the pros then showed up as a rookie bloated and half the athlete.

    Then he rescued his career in year 2 by dropping the weight. I recall many people on here with a higher grade on him than on Todd gurley.

    Miami did well with the baker selection in the 3rd. Nothing on that college tape said ready for take on stack and shed as a starting nfl every down lb out the gate. Should make nice strides the next 2 years. Like to see him report to camp next year carrying an extra 5 lbs for poa play. There’s a little bit of a benefit of opportunity and snaps played thing here with regards to his grade this year that some other rookies in the same draft range didn’t get yet but we will be better for it in 2019 and 2020.

    I guess if you look at it like he was the high 2nd rounder and gesicki the 3rd round pick it makes it easier to stomach.

    I think the league would look at baker now and say he’s validated a top 50 pick type grade as a lb in the pros so far.

    Ballage was good value in the 4th for his skill set and his scheme fit.

    So was smythe who will be a plus in line blocker long term.

    I look forward to the day that minkah plays a full time free safety with some slot ask. But that’s probably 2 years away. That guy will get you out of some attrition or even poor play binds with his versatility.
     
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    Very good, but the point isn't "some" few teams. It's how much Miami differs from those "some" teams. Probably ~28 teams are in the same range of success as Miami. Even then GB took Kevin King their fist pick. How'd that turn out?
     

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