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Here's the real scoop on Manuel Wright.

ckparrothead said:
If you give up that future 3rd you really do give up the chance that you could pull another guy of Channing Crowder's caliber. People around here have already dubbed him Zach's successor without seeing him play a down in a Miami uniform. Who knows who else's successor we could get next year in the 3rd.

I dont understand how multiple people can think like this. If Saban selects Wright in the 3rd round, he has given him all the though and consideration he would give a 3rd rounder. What is the difference between Saban selecting a player he thinks is worth a 3rd rounder in 2005 then selecting a player he thinks is worth a 3rd rounder in 2006?
 
Drfletcherdc said:
A 4th round pick would be about right for him.

:confused: :rofl3: Why? He has shown nothing. His effort in the classroom and out of it is pathetic, He is a backup DT who played on a powerhouse football program. That's it. I've been saying all along to skip this guy and let some sucker team like the Redskins waste a pick on him. If you can't get your act together to stay eligible to play and finally start on a championship caliber college team and you can't get you act together the month before your draft day (the most important time period for an NFL player), will you really get it together on game day when you already have a contract and less incentive to perform. This guy is a bust waiting to happen. I hope some one in the AFCE besides the Dolphins picks him.
 
I dont understand how multiple people can think like this. If Saban selects Wright in the 3rd round, he has given him all the though and consideration he would give a 3rd rounder. What is the difference between Saban selecting a player he thinks is worth a 3rd rounder in 2005 then selecting a player he thinks is worth a 3rd rounder in 2006?

The difference lies in estimation. By merely coming to the conclusion that Wright is "worth a 3rd rounder in 2006" Saban would have to estimate what kind of talent is available in the 3rd round of 2006, as well as where we would pick in that round. Giving up the 3rd rounder now forces you to simply hope that the 3rd rounders available in next year's draft aren't better than the guy you used that pick for.

Due to the incredible uncertainty involved in evaluating the worth of a 2006 3rd round pick, the only logical thing to do is evaluate the worth of Manuel Wright in comparison to your 2005 3rd round pick, and in this case it is Channing Crowder.

So would you take Wright over Crowder? If not, you're doing no better than betting on black at the roulette table in Vegas.
 
I think the bottom line is not what we think of Wright's potential, but what Saban thinks he can do with him. One of the things people liked about Saban, in fact, raved about him, is that he is a great evaluator of talent.

I'm willing to bet he will make the right call on Wright.
 
VanDolPhan said:
Bernie Kosar, Cris Carter, Brian Bosworth (If not for shoulder woes he woulda been a decent player), Steve Walsh (carrer journeyman QB. Lasted like 10 years in the league), Rob Moore, Mike Wahle, Jamal Williams, Tony Hollings.

That's been about it. There was at least 35 players taken in the history of the supplemental draft. Most have been huggggge busts.

Exactly. Most of the guys you mentioned are from 20 years ago. Jamal Williams is the only good one in recent memory and he's already in his 8th season. Tony Hollings is the perfect example of why teams should just save their picks for next April. It seems like the only guys who've entered the supplemental draft in the last few years have done so with academic, health, or character issues.
 
MrClean said:
When Richmond Webb went to the combine back in 1990, he only did 14 reps on the bench. I'm glad the Dolphins back then didn't say: Gee whiz, Webb is too weak to be a left tackle in the NFL, he could only do 14 reps on the bench.

I see your point, but Webb came in at a time when there wasn't the advanced weight training programs and supplements that there are today and all the players were smaller. Besides, Webb was always known as a finesse lineman who wouldn't have been nearly as effective in a run-oriented offense.

Wright's lack of strength would be less of a concern if the Dolphins ran a one-gap penetrating defense where linemen are pass rushers (like in Philadelphia). However, in this system a D-tackle's main responsibility is to drop the anchor (hold up a double-team) and keep the linebackers free. That's why the Dolphins have had guys like Tim Bowens, Daryl Gardener, and Larry Chester who could not only lift an engine block, but an entire car.
 
Brett Tessler said:
I see your point, but Webb came in at a time when there wasn't the advanced weight training programs and supplements that there are today and all the guys were much lighter. Besides, Webb was always known as a finesse lineman who wouldn't have been nearly as effective if the Dolphins were a running offense.

Wright's lack of strength would be less of a concern if the Dolphins ran a one-gap penetrating defense where the linemen's main responsibility was to rush the passer. However, in this system a D-tackle's main responsibility is to drop the anchor (hold up a double-team) and keep Zach free. That's why the Dolphins have had guys like Tim Bowens, Daryl Gardener, and Larry Chester who could not only lift an engine block, but the entire car with it.

i was under the impression that the dolphins were switching to more of a one-gap penetrating defense
 
Brett Tessler said:
I see your point, but Webb came in at a time when there wasn't the advanced weight training programs and supplements that there are today and all the guys were much lighter. Besides, Webb was always known as a finesse lineman who wouldn't have been nearly as effective if the Dolphins were a running offense.

Wright's lack of strength would be less of a concern if the Dolphins ran a one-gap penetrating defense where the linemen's main responsibility was to rush the passer. However, in this system a D-tackle's main responsibility is to drop the anchor (hold up a double-team) and keep Zach free. That's why the Dolphins have had guys like Tim Bowens, Daryl Gardener, and Larry Chester who could not only lift an engine block, but the entire car with it.

Good points all, though it remains to be seen what kind of defensive alignments Saban will run. Kevin Carter will line up at DT on most downs, and hes not a 2 gap defender.
 
Surferosa said:
Good points all, though it remains to be seen what kind of defensive alignments Saban will run. Kevin Carter will line up at DT on most downs, and hes not a 2 gap defender.

Even if they flex between a 3-4 or 4-3 defense and use more guys to rush the passer, I would imagine the main responsibility of a big guy like Wright would be to hold up against double teams and control the middle (like Keith Traylor).
 
Brett Tessler said:
Even if they flex between a 3-4 or 4-3 defense and use more guys to rush the passer, I would imagine the main responsibility of a big guy like Wright would be to hold up against double teams and control the middle (like Keith Traylor).

It depends on whether they have a guy now that they consider a 2 gapper. From what I've been hearing they seem to want to get away from the Bowens/Chester setup and use one of the positions as a 1 gap player. So I guess it depends on the health of Chester.
 
Wright might be looked at as a 3-4 de

Because of his quickness, and the fact that he has played under 300, he may be looked at as a de in the 3-4. Given his quickeness that would not shock me. I would not be overly alarmed by his workout. While speed is a gift, strenght can be aquired. The real question is his willingness.

Lee2000
 
project or not i take him... right now our potential starting DTs are chester and traylor, both have not that many seasons in them left, and even next behind them is 32 year old kevin carter...

we need young DTs who will come into their own, nows the time to get one, id still give up a 3rd, but no higher, the potential on this guy is very high... and in 2 years if hes the next marcus stroud id be very happy...
 
If Wright is projecting as a 3-4 DE, as I originally predicted, then Miami's interest in him drops from ultra-high, to medium at best.

The Dolphins need a nose tackle. They have enough of the DE/DT and DE/OLB type tweeners. They need a fat boy NT guy like Keith Traylor.

And strength is more of a gift than you realize. You can work to make it better, just like you can speed.
 
Big DT's who are projects can be found in the late rds of nearly every draft. Especially if you look at the small schools.
 
Wright may have been out of shape strength wise but the big man can move & showed it, 4.97 for a 329lbs man, oh my. He put up decent #s as the #3 DT at USC & was All Pac-10 honorable mention last year, as a back up. It's not really his fault that he was stuck behind two of the best DTs in college football, you can't judge him as a failure that way. If we did that then we'd have to deem Ronnie Brown a failure because he didn't start at Auburn.

Bidding a 3rd round pick on someone that would most likely be a future 2nd rounder in 06 or 07 is a bargain, & again we have no youth at DT. For a 3rd round pick it's all about potential & coming out of H.S. he was a top 5 rated DT. So he's not the smartest guy or dedicated in the classroom, the U has most of the worst wonderlic tests in recent memory & we still produce the best prospects. Also, it doesn't take a genius to play DT, that's the easiest position for a young player to come in & play right away in with the least amount of plays to remember. Bid a 3rd, if Philly wants to bid a 2nd then we have guys like Rodrique Wright, Orien Harris, LeKevin Smith, Gabe Watson, or Jesse Mahelona to look forward to next year.
 
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