Hindsight on Bush, Long and Dansby?

[So Be]

You people keep on adding Long like a offer was not made. The guy took MORE MONEY to play in STL. Fact.

Bush, while healthy, is a nice weapon. But his inability to hit the hole and go, is what made him expendable.

And Dansby....the fat ass who came into camp over weight? Seriously? GTFO.

Dansby came in out of shape after the strike in 2011, and played well in 2012. Guess you somehow missed a year.

Are you saying that Miller hit the hole better than Miller, and would not have been better?

 

[So Be]

We should have never traded Freddie Solomon.

I want a double of whatever you are drinking. :)

 

[So Be]

Miami was 7-9 with them last year. How is that better than going 8-8?

I don't know. Maybe Grimes, Gibson, Wallace, and a more experienced QB in RT could have had a bit to do with it.

 

[DolfanISS]

This place is funny folks protect everything the team does with flawed logic. The fact that the Lions, Cardinals and Rams missed the playoffs has nothing at all to do with how Bush, Dansby or Long would have helped out the 2013 fins. Sometimes I can't even believe I read some of this stuff. Furthermore why not give Miller and Thomas More carries, as we did, and use Bush More in the passing game? Everyone here was crying about more screens maybe an RB who is really good at them could have helped? But the lions didn't make the playoffs so no. Also Dansby should have been retained. What's this fantasy about him sucking in coverage vs TE's last year? Does anyone realize the 2012 Dolphins gave up like 1 or 2 TD's to TE's in the entire NFL season? OH we did way better than that this year with Ellerbee and Wheeler right? It's like people make **** up on here. Dansby and Burnett for Ellerbee and Wheeler was a stupid move that Ireland should be fired for end of story. We'd have been a better defense in 2013 with both of them even though the Cardinals and the Raiders missed the playoffs. I know it's hard to believe.

Long's a tough one but I think this is a case of guys being too sensitive. I bet if we'd shown immediate interest in Long, instead of letting him test the market before showing interest he'd be here. I wouldn't have been crazy about Jake Long as our long term LT due to his injury history but it was even more irresponsible to roll into 2013 with a known basket case manning the position. There were other chances to avoid this as well including just signing the guy you ended up trading for. Ireland's an idiot it should surprise nobody that getting rid of these guys was likely an idiotic move.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Dansby came in out of shape after the strike in 2011, and played well in 2012. Guess you somehow missed a year.

Are you saying that Miller hit the hole better than Miller, and would not have been better?

I don't care when he showed up fat. The fact he did, with his contract, showed contempt for his employer. Also, I didn't mention a year or timeline. That was your assumption

 

[So Be]

The only one missed proved to be a mistake to let go was Jake Long. Ellerbe is arguably an upgrade from Dansby on the field and in the locker room, but definitely an upgrade from the speed, salary cap and youth perspective. Dansby needed to go and we did well getting Ellerbe. That move is fine.

Bush was and is an exceptional back. I love what he brings to the table. But, Lamar Miller wasn't a huge step down and cost merely a fraction of the price. While I miss having the extra dimension that Bush brings, this one made sense because of the finances.

Jake Long is a good OT in pass protection and an exceptional OT in run block8ng. He isn't perfect and he isn't as good as he used to be, but without him we were disastrous. His absence cost us a playoff spot, was a primary factor in why we gave up more sacks than any other tram this year, and is directly linked to our failings in the run game. Long may not be the elite top LT in the game, but he clearly is still good and was needed. We dropped the ball on not resigning Jake Long.

The one you forgot to mention was Fasano. Keller was injury prone and failed to play a down during the regular seaaon. Our TE blocking was atrocious to the point that Michael El new was our best blocking TE. That is sad. Fasano was missed.

I'm mostly with ya, and love Fasano (can't believe I left him out. However, I'm not just talking of the play on the field but, the leadership these three brought to the team and the younger players. Without them, we had no one, Cog ran wild, and the players had no vets to go to, on or off the field.

It does matter, and Philbin apparently did not want that.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Riiiiiiight, cause ellerbe and wheeler are great in pass coverage. You must be brain dead, we still gave up a lot of plays to TEs.

Brain dead?

Teams beat MIA this year, by attacking CBs that were terrible. Or looking for Wheeler, and going after him. Opposing teams TE's, last year, had a field day against Dansby. That is just fact.

 

[So Be]

I don't care when he showed up fat. The fact he did, with his contract, showed contempt for his employer. Also, I didn't mention a year or timeline. That was your assumption

Yeah, silly me, thought you would be talking recent history as opposed to the strike year when MANY vets were way out of shape. Perhaps you should be talking about the Freddie Soloman trade as well. :)

 

[So Be]

This place is funny folks protect everything the team does with flawed logic. The fact that the Lions, Cardinals and Rams missed the playoffs has nothing at all to do with how Bush, Dansby or Long would have helped out the 2013 fins. Sometimes I can't even believe I read some of this stuff. Furthermore why not give Miller and Thomas More carries, as we did, and use Bush More in the passing game? Everyone here was crying about more screens maybe an RB who is really good at them could have helped? But the lions didn't make the playoffs so no. Also Dansby should have been retained. What's this fantasy about him sucking in coverage vs TE's last year? Does anyone realize the 2012 Dolphins gave up like 1 or 2 TD's to TE's in the entire NFL season? OH we did way better than that this year with Ellerbee and Wheeler right? It's like people make **** up on here. Dansby and Burnett for Ellerbee and Wheeler was a stupid move that Ireland should be fired for end of story. We'd have been a better defense in 2013 with both of them even though the Cardinals and the Raiders missed the playoffs. I know it's hard to believe.

Long's a tough one but I think this is a case of guys being too sensitive. I bet if we'd shown immediate interest in Long, instead of letting him test the market before showing interest he'd be here. I wouldn't have been crazy about Jake Long as our long term LT due to his injury history but it was even more irresponsible to roll into 2013 with a known basket case manning the position. There were other chances to avoid this as well including just signing the guy you ended up trading for. Ireland's an idiot it should surprise nobody that getting rid of these guys was likely an idiotic move.

Good post but, not sure that the voice of reason will work here. :)

 

[psfign]

Riiiiiiight, cause ellerbe and wheeler are great in pass coverage. You must be brain dead, we still gave up a lot of plays to TEs.

so rather than TRY to improve, we shoulda kept our LB that couldnt cover any TE at all? makes tons of sense.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Yeah, silly me, thought you would be talking recent history as opposed to the strike year when MANY vets were way out of shape. Perhaps you should be talking about the Freddie Soloman trade as well. :)

Hold up. So we can't talk about a players ethics while in MIAMI, that happened a few years ago. But you and the echo chamber are harping on everything since 08? Talk about double speak. Are you a used car salesman?

 

[So Be]

Hold up. So we can't talk about a players ethics while in MIAMI, that happened a few years ago. But you and the echo chamber are harping on everything since 08? Talk about double speak. Are you a used car salesman?

I am harping on nothing other than last year, and decisions made for better or worse. Anything other than that for me, is delusional on your part. You are more than welcome to prove me wrong but, unless you want to go back to my posts from years gone by, you will come up empty.

True story, and guaranteed. Ponder that. LOL

 

[MexDolfan]

Jake Long opted for "better infrastructure" (in order to keep him away of injuries), turning down Dolphins' offer that was close in terms of money.
Ireland and Philbin shared the idea that Reggie Bush was injury-prone and saw similar talent in Lamar Miller. It's impossible to know what Reggie Bush would do behind the crap of O-line that Miami got this season.
Jeff Ireland tried to move for quicker and younger LB, by hiring Philip Wheeler and Dannell Ellerbe sacrificing some quality in the process. But have in mind that Ellerbe was tagged as fine replacement for Ray Lewis and Wheeler was a tackling machine in Oakland. Also Karlos Dansby was playing this season at better-fitting role for him with Cards.

After those facts are clear, there are some aspects to remark.

Jake Long's shoes were simply too big to fill & bullying scandal made it worse to deal. FO will need to focus on building a decent O-line or the offense won't work.
I think Lamar requires a better O-line and his sidekick Daniel Thomas could be replace for better options to forge a better running game.
While Ellerbe must finish to adjust into this defense, his development is linked to Dion Jordan's. I don't see the same thing on Wheeler and maybe it's time to look for his replacement.

 

[hootie249]

Seriously, stop with the Jake long crap. He earned a ton of money off his rookie contract with us, we wanted to keep him at a fair price. I do not believe he took less money to go to the rams, please show a source if you believe this to be true.
Like many on these forums i did not have a problem with letting Jake walk, i just thought we had a plan if he did. That was the problem, Ireland is a weasel, he lowballed too many free agents and could not complete a trade to get us a decent LT.
Going into the season we all knew our Oline was a mess. Ireland should have addressed the Oline first before Wallace was signed, but he let his agent bend him over backwards. From that point forward, all the quality free agents wanted an overpay, and Kansas City figured they could get a kings ransom for alberts. Once the offseason ended everyone of those back-up plans fell through. We had an overpayed deep threat with no time to throw deep!

I think Ireland would still be an excellent scout, his work with the Chiefs and Cowboys was great, but he should not be in charge of anything! He shows he is pretty good with sure things and lousy at taking chances . I would love to play this guy in poker.

 

[phishxhead]

Isn't Long hurt yet again and wasn't this a huge concern about resigning him? There were other options available besides Martin or Long.