Hindsight on Bush, Long and Dansby?

[So Be]

so rather than TRY to improve, we shoulda kept our LB that couldnt cover any TE at all? makes tons of sense.

I have no problem in our team trying to improve. In fact, I liked the Ellerbe and Wheeler signings. That does not mean I was right, and this thread was to ask that question.

Again, the leadership of the three players mentioned comes up, and the apparent want of Philbin not wanting any leadership OTHER THAN HIS OWN.

 

[Bob512]

Again, the leadership of the three players mentioned comes up, and the apparent want of Philbin not wanting any leadership OTHER THAN HIS OWN.

Not sure if there is any validity to this if we did in fact try to re-sign Long.....

 

[phishxhead]

so rather than TRY to improve, we shoulda kept our LB that couldnt cover any TE at all? makes tons of sense.

Dansby is proving that he is a great player. He was really good before MIA and really good after MIA. Seems like MIA is the problem, not Dansby.

 

[PhinMagic]

so rather than TRY to improve, we shoulda kept our LB that couldnt cover any TE at all? makes tons of sense.

So our defense is what has cost us to lose games? Instead of worrying about breaking something that was already ok, maybe your boy Ireland should've worried about taking care of the o line and making the offense better.

 

[dlockz]

As opposed to the utter liability Dansby was against TE's? In a division that featured Gronk and Hernandez, and you would have been happy with Dansby another year? GTFO.

Dansby showed his want to play in MIAMI, by showing up fat and over weight. Maybe you find that acceptable, but I don't. Dansby wrote his own fat ass check out of town.

Dansby is no worse In coverage than ellerbee or wheeler. True he showed up overweight but he played hurt and played well.
Dansby had more sacks and interceptions than Ellerbee and Wheeler combined and neither impressed in any category.
They were solid at best while Dansby was one of the best defensive players in the league

 

[JTC111]

Miami was 7-9 with them last year. How is that better than going 8-8?

Are you saying we're a game better because we replaced Long with Martin/McKinnie, Dansby with Ellerbee, and Bush with the Miller/Thomas tandem? There may be a reason why we're a game better, but I don't think this is it.

 

[dlockz]

The only one missed proved to be a mistake to let go was Jake Long. Ellerbe is arguably an upgrade from Dansby on the field and in the locker room, but definitely an upgrade from the speed, salary cap and youth perspective. Dansby needed to go and we did well getting Ellerbe. That move is fine.

Bush was and is an exceptional back. I love what he brings to the table. But, Lamar Miller wasn't a huge step down and cost merely a fraction of the price. While I miss having the extra dimension that Bush brings, this one made sense because of the finances.

Jake Long is a good OT in pass protection and an exceptional OT in run block8ng. He isn't perfect and he isn't as good as he used to be, but without him we were disastrous. His absence cost us a playoff spot, was a primary factor in why we gave up more sacks than any other tram this year, and is directly linked to our failings in the run game. Long may not be the elite top LT in the game, but he clearly is still good and was needed. We dropped the ball on not resigning Jake Long.

The one you forgot to mention was Fasano. Keller was injury prone and failed to play a down during the regular seaaon. Our TE blocking was atrocious to the point that Michael El new was our best blocking TE. That is sad. Fasano was missed.

We missed all three.All three positions were downgraded, the only people that don't see that are some people on this board. Ellerbee was not an upgrade in any way this season as our MLB. He is younger and cheaper for one season but now he basically makes what Dansby did make and he did little to nothing this year. Big part of the reason our run defense faltered this year was not having Dansby. We handed a big contract to half season wonder Ellerbee and then he makes little to no impact here. There was a reason he was not able to beat out McClain in Balt all those seasons. Ellerbee is a solid player that we overpaid based on way too little production. I also don't see how u feel Miller wasn't a huge step down. Miller is not close to the threat Bush is as a receiver. Fraction of the price is correct but 4 million for a back would have been a smart buy considering we had plenty of cap space and wasted more money than that on lesser players. You hit the nail on the head with missing Long but we did try to resign him so I cant fault the organization for that. Downgrading linebacker with cap space made no sense but oh well, we didn't need to stop the run anyway. Remember how these guys were going to bring the heat on the qb and they had 1.5 sacks between them. Now we are stuck with these guys that will be thought about as cap casualties soon without getting any worthwhile play out of them

 

[PhinSoldia]

all three missed the playoffs, just like miami.

thread over....pack it up lets go home

 

[dlockz]

Are you saying we're a game better because we replaced Long with Martin/McKinnie, Dansby with Ellerbee, and Bush with the Miller/Thomas tandem? There may be a reason why we're a game better, but I don't think this is it.

I guess Calvin Johnson wouldn't have helped us either since the Lions had a worse record lol.
Yea those are not the reasons we are a game better . None of these guys outproduced the guy they replaced

 

[Zounds]

I wanted to keep Bush and Long. Both were the best players at their position on the roster, and we could certainly afford to keep both, and the free agent market was very weak. Even if we had to slightly overpay each, I'd rather have better players on my team than extra salary cap space that we didn't use.

Dansby and Burnett never made plays or created turnovers, and couldn't cover a LB. I have no problem with their departure, but I do have a problem with their replacements.

 

[TealAttack13]

Long took less to play for the Rams.

 

[roy_miami]

This forum had split opinions on keeping Long, Bush, and most did not want to keep Dansby. .

I don't remember anybody wanting Dansby cut let alone "most", that move came as a pretty big shock to most of us from what I remember. I didn't like the move at the time and I still think we should have kept Dansby for another season and tried to replace him in the draft.

As somebody else said, we needed another tackle on the team, it didn't have to be Long but it had to be somebody. Most of us could see that before the season, not sure what Ireland's problem was. Now we find out Martin went AWOL during training camp making the lack of foresight here even worse, like wreckless bad.

Bush was a fan favorite and I would have been happy to have him back but if we weren't going to use him properly in the passing game then meh on that one for me.

 

[sharp]

Dansby put himself in position for plays here, and did not make them. Simple as that. Was he not trying hard enough? Bad luck? The miami uniform? I don't know.. but he didnt make plays when he should have. No regrets.

 

[DisturbedShifty]

Can we get a new sub forum for threads like this? Call it "Spilled milk," or like title of this thread "hindsight."

It's like the thread about bad officiating, what's done is done for good or bad. Just move on.

 

[DuderinoN703]

I don't know. Maybe Grimes, Gibson, Wallace, and a more experienced QB in RT could have had a bit to do with it.

My point is that people are acting like Bush, Long and Dansby led Miami to 13 win seasons and that the team is **** without them when that couldn't be more wrong.

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I don't remember anybody wanting Dansby cut let alone "most", that move came as a pretty big shock to most of us from what I remember. I didn't like the move at the time and I still think we should have kept Dansby for another season and tried to replace him in the draft.

As somebody else said, we needed another tackle on the team, it didn't have to be Long but it had to be somebody. Most of us could see that before the season, not sure what Ireland's problem was. Now we find out Martin went AWOL during training camp making the lack of foresight here even worse, like wreckless bad.

Bush was a fan favorite and I would have been happy to have him back but if we weren't going to use him properly in the passing game then meh on that one for me.

I do recall a lot of people saying Dansby was alright but nothing special.