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How many here still want to say Richie is the victim

Incognito should not be back, but I feel this report is more about "kids, bullying is bad" than anything about Incognito or Martin.

Its unfortunate for the Dolphins that this is a hot button issue, but nothing in that report made me think Cogs went anywhere above the normal joking around and hazing of the young players. Which is probably wrong, but the way it is in NFL locker rooms. Nothing physical occured, and I dont think it would of even if Martin didn't pay the "fine'.
 
Incognito is a victim of his own poor judgment and social skills.

Dude is constantly in trouble somehow, somewhere because he just can't figure out how to behave properly.

Never wanted that clown here to begin with.

That said, Martin is a snake in the grass with his own issues. Neither should be back in Miami. They say Martin contemplated suicide.

Let's hope he was successful at career suicide.
 
I'll bet anybody all of my v-cash (or real cash if you please) that Incogs will be signed before the end of next season. Our problem was Incognito was like our 7th highest paid player (and sadly he was a top ten player on our team) but now he can be had for great value especially on teams like the 49ers or Seahawks or even the Patriots with a lot of great leadership both on and off the field.

For a meathead he's handled this whole thing quite well, generally putting the teams interests above his own and probably handled it better than 99.9% of posters here would have handled a public lynching.
 
I'm glad that I never took Incognito's side in the matter, and I believe those who still belittle Martin have the social intelligence of a caveman.

.....but that's just my opinion.

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I'll bet anybody all of my v-cash (or real cash if you please) that Incogs will be signed before the end of next season. Our problem was Incognito was like our 7th highest paid player (and sadly he was a top ten player on our team) but now he can be had for great value especially on teams like the 49ers or Seahawks or even the Patriots with a lot of great leadership both on and off the field.

For a meathead he's handled this whole thing quite well, generally putting the teams interests above his own and probably handled it better than 99.9% of posters here would have handled a public lynching.
OJ seemed to handle his first trial well, but we all know he is still a murderer.
 
I'm glad that I never took Incognito's side in the matter, and I believe those who still belittle Martin have the social intelligence of a caveman.

.....but that's just my opinion.

Martin is a p**sy. He admitted it himself in texts to both of his parents. Well's report also stated: “In a number of ways, Martin fits the mold of a typical bullying victim..." AKA he's a p**sy.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy
 
I thought I wanted to chime in on the situation because I've been absent when it comes to this topic since it started...but I was wrong...I still don't care. It is fun seeing everyone take sides though.
 
I'm glad that I never took Incognito's side in the matter, and I believe those who still belittle Martin have the social intelligence of a caveman.

.....but that's just my opinion.

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OJ seemed to handle his first trial well, but we all know he is still a murderer.

LMAO@thegullibles who think that [strike]Adam Lanza[/strike] Joni was anything other than an abhorrent toxic, potentially postal, jelly-spine co-conspiring victimizer until he got demoted and his mommy took over for him like she always has when the going got rough.
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For several years Richie Incognito was voted by players across the NFL, as its Dirtiest Player. As Dolphin fans, many of us chuckled that our man, Richie (he was never a boy), really had a special gift for getting under the skin of his competitors. Now, as more details emerge from the golf incident, the diatribe of profane and bigoted texts and the treatment of the Asian assistant trainer, we get a clearer message why Richie kept on winning the award. Maybe his bipolar sociopath tendencies made him unsuitable to be the O-line team leader to mentor young players. The good Richie, bad Richie description seems pretty accurate. Turner, as O-line Coach should have been monitoring the situation much closer and definitely not fueling it.
I am still of the belief that Jake Long was better able at keeping Richie in check and his departure to St Louis is when things unravelled. My hunch is that Jake was the one guy in the locker room who Richie respected. I can see Richie being suspended by the NFL. He's lucky the girl from the golf day incident didn't press charges with the police. The $30K payoff was a joke. The effort to suppress the incident and subsequent $50K fine by the team should have been flagged to the NFL that Richie was out of control.
Can anyone remember the advertisement that Richie did at the Palm Beach Croquet Club where he is the spokesman for proper behavior off the field? It was a great ad but now seems pretty ironic given the swathe of behavior related incidents that now surface.

Yes, it all makes more sense now.

I've only just this morning read parts of the report. Page 90 forward, about 25 pages and it's mind blowing to me. The Turner doll thing, and another assistant saying I heard about your sister. The coaches embarrassing a gay player over and over and Martin SEEING that. No wonder Martin didn't want to speak out, he sees what happens when you're seen as different. He was trying to fit in, over and over.

And I think we can say the unspoken here, that Martin is not only an ivy league, sensitive guy who was always bullied in school, and growing up black in white neighborhoods, but also that he's probably bisexual. In fact Richie hints at it over and over. So Martin was struggling with this part of his identity as well, while he's being abused by his closest friend, and ganged up on by other linemen. Martin is not blameless of course, I give him a lot of blame. But I understand why it all happened, now.

You're correct in assuming Jake Long held things in check, I thought that as well, in fact a long time ago. I just didn't know how much he actually held together. I want to finish reading this report, but I don't have plans to sit at a computer all morning so I'll read a few more pages tomorrow. I want to check the dates. Turner met with Martin May 2013 about the suicide, after the draft, so Ireland didn't have knowledge of this while making a decision not to draft a LT or hire Albert. But there had to be indications of problems before that, and I don't know why the team didn't get a replacement for LT knowing that Martin was deteriorating. Seems that the whole Dolphins FO had their head up their arse. Even when they got him a psychologist, it's an 84 year old guy, who never delved into the real issues. It's almost like a military mentality....have military docs on staff to patch them up and put them back on the front line.

And as you said, the flags were there over and over about Incognito, and the coaches let him stay on the team, and mentor your top LT prospect out of college. Unbelievable.

Lack of teaching, coaching, mentoring on this team.
 
Screw both of them. They are overpaid individuals who play a childs game. The real victim here has been and always will be the fanbase all these years. Winning cures everything and we have not done that in a long, long time. I could really care less what happens to either one from here on out.
 
LMAO@thegullibles who think that [strike]Adam Lanza[/strike] Joni was anything other than an abhorrent toxic, potentially postal, jelly-spine co-conspiring victimizer until he got demoted and his mommy took over for him like she always has when the going got rough.
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You really didn't laugh out loud. I pity people who try to act like they are some kind of internet alpha male. Their lives seem to be in much more need of repair than mine.

I'm sure you've been bullied.
 
On Pussification

If you fellas think this is bad you would never make it in the military now and definitely not 10 years ago. Hell I hear more than what was said in my office and I'm not even in maintenance or a cop. Martin is a BIG *****. So as others have said, the continuance of the pusification of America. Keep giving up you rights and bitching about dumb **** folks, worry about that color you don't like and want taken out of school or removing god from the dollar bill......We'll be taken over by China in 10 years cause no one wants their feeling hurt....

This quote is attributed to Betty White, I am sure that she didn't actually say this but it seems appropriate.

"Why do people say "grow some balls"? Balls are weak and sensitive! If you really wanna get tough, grow a vagina. Those things take a pounding."

I get your meaning and understand that football is a contact sport not for the faint of heart, however after reading the report it does appear that we may never know Martins full potential, he can't be the first person you have come across that didn't respond well to the kind of treatment he received. I struggle to believe their is a one size fits all method to team building.
 
I thought I wanted to chime in on the situation because I've been absent when it comes to this topic since it started...but I was wrong...I still don't care. It is fun seeing everyone take sides though.

Exactly.

People are entitled to their opinion.

I love how people are trying to tell people how to think.

Free country/speech my ass!
 
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