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How many wins for Philbin to keep his job?

Ya, way back in the early 90s.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/BeliBi0.htm

Completely different eras as far as I am concerned. I also haven't seen anything from Philbin to suggest he is on the same intellectual level as BB. If I had, perhaps I would be a bit more patient. From everything we seen, Philbin is the epitome of average - he doesn't excel in any one area of coaching other than setting schedules.

I'm sure you and I debated Sparano plenty but we were on the opposite sides of that debate and you were wrong. Now here you are on your soap box claiming to be the guythat knows a good head coach when he sees one. Why in the hell should anybody believe you? If I were you and I was completely wrong about the very last coach we had I would probably take a step back and think that maybe I have no clue what I'm talking about.

One thing thats blatantly obvious about Joe Philbin is he's an extremely intelligent man, if you can't see that its on you.
 
Ya, way back in the early 90s.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/BeliBi0.htm

Completely different eras as far as I am concerned. I also haven't seen anything from Philbin to suggest he is on the same intellectual level as BB. If I had, perhaps I would be a bit more patient. From everything we seen, Philbin is the epitome of average - he doesn't excel in any one area of coaching other than setting schedules.

Fisher was in the 90s too dude, and that was YOUR example.
 
I can't believe some on here are advocating keeping Philbin around with a record less than 9-7.

Nobody is advocating anything. People are just saying what they think Ross will do. If I don't think Philbin is on the hotseat, that doesnt mean I advocate him staying if this team has a metldown.
 
I'm sorry but Philbin sucks. I like what Hickey has done which is surprising to me because I wasn't too thrilled with the hire.
 
I look forward to this thread becoming an afterthought when the Pats wilt in the heat next Sunday and then we go to Buffalo for some Manuel sucks, don't ever think you're beating us like u did last year, style revenge on the Bills.

Next up KC, they should change their name from the Chiefs to the Charles', Alex Smith is piss poor and they will wear an ass woopin. After that's it's Oakland, LOL I won't bother explaining that one. Bye week then GB. I think the fire Philbin talk should be a minimum by then...
 
When Peter King was in talking to the finsiders, when asked about where the Dolphins stand, he said you have to think about these guys in the future. He basically said Joe has built this team and now just has to go out there and make it happen. Think future, not just making the playoffs ect ect. This team will not survive another coaching change and the "grass is greener" effect that many here have is only going to mean starting all over again. Lazor gone, defense gone, players traded or let go. I am not pulling for Joe's demise like some on here.

I am not pulling for Joe's demise, but fact is if we stumble again, we can't continue to accept mediocrity. This will be his 3rd season. Playoffs or move on. Plenty of teams start again, to many to mention. If we don't get it done this year, new leadership could and should be what we are looking for next year. That being said, nothing would make me happier then getting into the playoffs this year, and Joe being safe...
 
I'm sure you and I debated Sparano plenty but we were on the opposite sides of that debate and you were wrong. Now here you are on your soap box claiming to be the guythat knows a good head coach when he sees one. Why in the hell should anybody believe you? If I were you and I was completely wrong about the very last coach we had I would probably take a step back and think that maybe I have no clue what I'm talking about.

One thing thats blatantly obvious about Joe Philbin is he's an extremely intelligent man, if you can't see that its on you.

While I supported Sparano for a few years because I felt he was a good motivator/delegator in the mold of Cowher, I eventually came to recognize the reality that he wasn't cut out to be a Head Coach, just as you will soon come to recognize the same with Philbin.

I will give you that Philbin is likely more intelligent than Sparano, that alone does not make him a better Head Coach than Sparano. Sparano didn't have to resort to reading off cue cards to pump up his team. His players fought hard for him until he was effectively neutered. He had a vision of the team, although archaic and not fit for the modern NFL, actually worked the way he wanted it to. His teams were hard-nosed and the running game worked to maul people. That was his vision, and his teams were strong in that area.

He also made adjustments (notably during the epic Wild Cat year) when he recognized a deficiency and a strength and urged his coaches to cook up a scheme that would play to its strength. It worked amazingly for that first year - partially resulting in a division win and playoff appearance.

Now, what is Philbin's vision? I thought it was supposed to be a wide open, high scoring Green Bay style offense. Yet in TWO years we haven't seen anything of the sort. In fact, his offensive scoring production averages LESS than Sparano's caveman offenses did. I am sure you will pin this all on Tannehill, as if he was the one forcing trades of his star WR and trotting him out there with piss poor protection. Well, Tannehill was Philbin's handpicked QB coached by his mentor and handpicked lughead OC. And if Philbin had his way, that lughead OC would STILL be here today holding us back. So what does that say about "smarty pants" Philbin? That he would sacrifice the success of his team for loyalty to a universally accepted weak link?

There have been many other "intelligent" coaches that have flamed out as Head Coach because they were deficient in other ways, notably charisma, motivational capabilities, maleability, etc. Norv Turner is a brilliant guy, but he couldn't make it work as a HC in four tries. On the flip side, there have been far less intelligent guys who've won super bowls as HC, including Cowher.

As the results have shown year-in, year-out, Philbin is AVERAGE. He isn't great at any one particular thing and it shows on gamedays. I don't need to waste any more pixels on this discussion because it will make itself apparent even to you in due time...
 
I would say playoffs or bust. Harbaugh looks like he is potentially on the outs in SF, and we all know Ross loves him.
 
As the results have shown year-in, year-out, Philbin is AVERAGE. He isn't great at any one particular thing and it shows on gamedays. I don't need to waste any more pixels on this discussion because it will make itself apparent even to you in due time...

I agree he's been average. The difference between you and I is I don't believe we have enough information to project what his potential is one way or the other, so until we can be sure that he is nothing more than average it would be reckless to change course at this point with the time and resources we've already put into his vision.

The same thing can be said of Tannehill, we just don't have enough information to say he's average at best or average at worst. A lot of people predict Tannehill is average at best, and they'll probably turn out to be correct simply because they have the odds in their favor, and that's fine, but it would still be stupid to cut bait and start over at QB right now. We've come too far to not go that one extra mile to be sure.

Right now my prognosis of both Philbin and Tannehill is average at worst. But if you forced me to pick one it wouldn't be much of a decision. I have yet to see Philbin make a clear game management error and I have analyitics that suggest he may actually be elite right now. On the other hand that decision to throw the deep ball to Hartline in overtime when we were already in field goal range will forever be etched in my mind as a colossal game management mistake by Tannehill, like he's just completely clueless when it comes to game theory type bad. If your QB can't comprehend proper game management then that is going to be a big problem for a head coach, and I don't believe game management is something that's teachable.

One more thing. Our defense was top 10 in scoring, every other team in the top ten had double digit wins and all went to the playoffs. I believe if we had any of the QBs in top 20 in passer rating we go to the playoffs. Give him any QB in the top 10 in passer rating and we have double digit wins, no doubt in my mind about that. Give him one of the best QBs in the game like Rodgers or Wilson and we probably win 12 or 13 games. If he has the team playing well enough to win with good QB play is it fair to expect him to get more out of the team simply because you happen to have a bad QB? If you have bad QB play you lose. Period.
 
Playoffs.

After last year's circus culminated by us losing both of our last two games and missing the playoffs, I honestly can't understand how Joe is still our coach. I like the guy but that failure is on him.
 
I think Joe Philbin stays if we win the division, or get a WC and win our first playoff game. I also think there is going to be some degree of...."what does the eyes tell you"....

If we are playing exciting football...generating allot of fan interest, and by the end of the season people generally feel like this is a team on the verge....that's going to have allot to do with things.

I think that sense of....Miami definitely has a dangerous team in the making...is what will decide Philbin's fate more then anything.
 
I agree he's been average. The difference between you and I is I don't believe we have enough information to project what his potential is one way or the other, so until we can be sure that he is nothing more than average it would be reckless to change course at this point with the time and resources we've already put into his vision.

The same thing can be said of Tannehill, we just don't have enough information to say he's average at best or average at worst. A lot of people predict Tannehill is average at best, and they'll probably turn out to be correct simply because they have the odds in their favor, and that's fine, but it would still be stupid to cut bait and start over at QB right now. We've come too far to not go that one extra mile to be sure.

Right now my prognosis of both Philbin and Tannehill is average at worst. But if you forced me to pick one it wouldn't be much of a decision. I have yet to see Philbin make a clear game management error and I have analyitics that suggest he may actually be elite right now. On the other hand that decision to throw the deep ball to Hartline in overtime when we were already in field goal range will forever be etched in my mind as a colossal game management mistake by Tannehill, like he's just completely clueless when it comes to game theory type bad. If your QB can't comprehend proper game management then that is going to be a big problem for a head coach, and I don't believe game management is something that's teachable.

One more thing. Our defense was top 10 in scoring, every other team in the top ten had double digit wins and all went to the playoffs. I believe if we had any of the QBs in top 20 in passer rating we go to the playoffs. Give him any QB in the top 10 in passer rating and we have double digit wins, no doubt in my mind about that. Give him one of the best QBs in the game like Rodgers or Wilson and we probably win 12 or 13 games. If he has the team playing well enough to win with good QB play is it fair to expect him to get more out of the team simply because you happen to have a bad QB? If you have bad QB play you lose. Period.

Give ANY coach one of the best QBs in the game and they can win 12/13 games, IE Caldwell/Manning & Childress/Favre.

I love it how you are placing all the blame on Tannehill, yet absolve Philbin of any blame in selecting/grooming/coaching him. If Tannehill fails, its on Philbin and he should go out with him.
 
After last year's circus culminated by us losing both of our last two games and missing the playoffs, I honestly can't understand how Joe is still our coach. I like the guy but that failure is on him.

I was preaching this all season long. Joe was tossed around like a ragdoll in the past two games against the all pro fronts of the Bills and Jets. We should have moved Philbin back to the LG spot or maybe even removed him from pass protection schemes all together. But regardless, those 58 sacks are all on JP, especially the 7 vs Buffalo.

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He's not a good coach. He's an anchor around our necks. But unless the team flames out this year I don't think he's going anywhere. In fact, if we make the playoffs, which we could do thanks to Hickey and Lazor, then philbin will be here leading us to mediocrity for years.
 
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