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Good post. Very well thought out and I agree with all of your main points. I do believe that Eddie Moore might possibly make the final cut if he can stay healthy and actually show something.
 
LtDan662002 said:
Nicks system is a lot different than Wanny's system thus he needs different type/size players.
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Wanny had a system?....Wanny was the Windows ME of the football world. :rofl3:
 
arsenal said:
actually the eagles were turning down 3rd round picks for him...

and the 2004 draft was a great one really... we got carey whos now our starting LT, we got poole who should be our starting CB, we got hadnot our starting RG or C... to get 3 starters out of a draft with no 2nd and 3rd round picks is pretty good... and bua might still make the team and pope too... last years draft was pretty solid
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Good post and it's the first time Spielman had complete control. Everyone knew he wanted Bolden in that one draft, but was over ruled. Speilman also did what had to be done to the O last year. He started the revamping of the OL, didn't get Woody and Tait like he wanted, recognized Wade Smith wasn't the answer at LT and got a stop gap in McIntosh, actually had Carey here, but the staff last year didn't recognized the potential. So from last year alone our OL is Carey, James, Hadnot---All Speilman, Seth M. - Wanny\Speilman, Mcdougal-Saban.
Backups: St. Clair, McIntosh--Speilman, Middleton, Abila--Saban
WR's: Chambers, D. Thompson, Newson, --Wanny\Speilman, Booker, Boston, Welker --Spielman, Mann, Edwards--Saban
TE's: McMicheal, Lee--Wanny\Speilman, Perry--JJ, Diamond, Holmes--Saban
QB's: AJ-Speilman, Sage, Wanny\Speilman, Ferrotte, Berlin--Saban.
RB's: Ricky W., Minor--Wanny\Speilman, Morris, Gordon, Martin--Speilman, Evans, Brown, Kay Jay--Saban.
Our O looks pretty nice with the new coaching..but most of the players who are weapons came by way of Speilman.
Starters: 2-3 Wanny\Speilman +1, suspended for 1st 4 games, 4-5, depending on if AJ regains the qb position--Speilman, 2-4, depending the qb, FB, and G positions. -Saban


On D.
Taylor, Z. Thomas, Madison--JJ, D. Bowen, (who everyone thought would be traded or cut, but looking good, even Saban couldn't get rid of him), Chester, Y. Bell, Zgonia, Moore, Seau, Corey, Albaynejo (sp)--Wanny\Speilman, Shaw, Poole, Howard--Speilman, Mario, Lance, Tebuck, Tillman, Daniel, Spragen, Roth, Traylor, Vickerson, Wright, Carter, Holliday, J. Glenn--Saban.
Starting D: 3 from JJ, 3 from Wanny\Spielman depending on Chester's ability to get back on the field, 1 from Spielman, 4-5 from Saban-depending on chester.

Depth is our biggest question mark..
 
thecoordinator said:
the nicktator has a new depth chart out, and from the looks of it, his judge of talent is just a wee bit diffrent than spielstedt's. in my opinion, these are the players that may have played their last regular season game as a miami dolphin:

-derrius thompson
-wade smith
-taylor whitley
-donald lee
-lamar gordon
-travis minor
-jamar martin
-dario romero
-bredon aynebadejo
-eddie moore
-corey jenkins
-tony bua

as much as they'd like to consider cutting aj feeley, reggie howard and
our all-time favorite seth mckinney, their hands are tied for a multitude of reasons and these scrubs will remain with the team for one more season.

so the number of spielstedt casualties is likey going to be around 12, and could easily be 15 or more if we said the hell with it and went into full rebuilding mode.

but going by the depth chart and preseason performance, when the dust settles the dolphins will only have 8 players remaining (chris chambers, seth mckinney, randy mcmichael, yeremiah bell, vernon carey, will poole, rex hadnot and derrick pope) from the 35 draft picks selected in the 5 year spielstedt era. that's only 22% and i would imagine puts us somewhere near the bottom percentile of the league.

also, of our 11 first-day picks (rounds 1-3), only 3 players remain (chambers, mckinney and carey). obviously, after this season that number will drop to just 2.
the numbers don't lie....
-no players from the 2000 draft are still here (6 picks).

there will only be:
-1 (chambers) from 2001 (9 picks).
-2 (mckinney, mcmichael) from 2002 (5 picks).
-1 (bell) from 2003 (9 picks).
-4 from 2004 (it's still early lol).

from 2000 to 2003 that's 4 players remaining from 29 draft picks! unreal...

so, my fellow dolfans, this is the blueprint on how to destroy an nfl franchise.
not only does terrible talent evalutation lead to terrible drafts, but it also leads to trades for guys like aj feeley and lamar gordon, and the free agent signings of jay fiedler, ray lucas, damion mcintosh, and reggie howard.

let there be no doubt that dave wannstedt and rick spielman butchered this franchise just about as bad as it can be done.

despite this hack job masterpiece, we're all hopeful that saban can work a miracle in 2005, but you can only run from a series of bad drafts and aquisitions before it finally catches up with you. we can't afford any injuries because we have zero depth from terrible general management, and more often than not in the nfl no depth = no success.

so when you hear all the so-called "experts" picking us to finish last but saying that we will be back in 2-3 years this is why. because barring a miracle we will finish last in the afc east, but we have a legit operation now, run by proffesionals that will rebuild the franchise into a legitimate contender within 2-3 years.
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That being said, take a look at how many people got dropped when JJ came aboard. JJ was supposed to be the Master at talent evalution, and with the exception of the superstars, he rarly produced any blue chippers for us. I don't think it would be fair to say that WannSpeil didn't draft/pick up some guys who had talent, the type of team they had envisioned and the players they picked up/drafted to make that team a "reality" just don't fit in with what nick saban wants. Now if these players get cut and don't produce somewhere else then you are completely right.

ONe thing to note, after we cut 3/5 of our line last year, nobody picked them up... that tells me wannspiel could judge something. :lol: (they could judge a pile of crap from another pile of crap.)
 
I love the breakdown, but you have to edit the defense, JJ had a lot to do with it...;)
MDFINFAN said:
Good post and it's the first time Spielman had complete control. Everyone knew he wanted Bolden in that one draft, but was over ruled. Speilman also did what had to be done to the O last year. He started the revamping of the OL, didn't get Woody and Tait like he wanted, recognized Wade Smith wasn't the answer at LT and got a stop gap in McIntosh, actually had Carey here, but the staff last year didn't recognized the potential. So from last year alone our OL is Carey, James, Hadnot---All Speilman, Seth M. - Wanny\Speilman, Mcdougal-Saban.
Backups: St. Clair, McIntosh--Speilman, Middleton, Abila--Saban
WR's: Chambers, D. Thompson, Newson, --Wanny\Speilman, Booker, Boston, Welker --Spielman, Mann, Edwards--Saban
TE's: McMicheal, Lee--Wanny\Speilman, Perry--JJ, Diamond, Holmes--Saban
QB's: AJ-Speilman, Sage, Wanny\Speilman, Ferrotte, Berlin--Saban.
RB's: Ricky W., Minor--Wanny\Speilman, Morris, Gordon, Martin--Speilman, Evans, Brown, Kay Jay--Saban.
Our O looks pretty nice with the new coaching..but most of the players who are weapons came by way of Speilman.
Starters: 2-3 Wanny\Speilman +1, suspended for 1st 4 games, 4-5, depending on if AJ regains the qb position--Speilman, 2-4, depending the qb, FB, and G positions.


On D.
Taylor, Z. Thomas, Madison--JJ, D. Bowen, (who everyone thought would be traded or cut, but looking good, even Saban couldn't get rid of him), Chester, Y. Bell, Zgonia, Moore, Seau, Corey, Albaynejo (sp)--Wanny\Speilman, Shaw, Poole, Howard--Speilman, Mario, Lance, Tebuck, Tillman, Daniel, Spragen, Roth, Traylor, Vickerson, Wright, Carter, Holliday, J. Glenn--Saban.
Starting D: 3 from JJ, 3 from Wanny\Spielman depending on Chester's ability to get back on the field, 1 from Spielman, 4-5 from Saban-depending on chester.

Depth is our biggest question mark..
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phinking said:
Eddie Moore will make it. Anyone who saw him play last year knows he has ability. Because we took him ahead of Bolden in the draft does not make him a bad player. And keep in mind what conference he played in, the SEC. And Where did Nick Saban coach? The SEC. I'm sure Nick saw Moore a few times while he was there, so if Moore plays this weekend and has a good showing, he is a lock. I don't think Nick Saban cares how many players he keeps at one position, he is not going to let a good player go to keep an inferior player at another position.
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Eddie Moore might make it if Saban hires a trauma team to stand by on the sidelines and wait for Moore's next injury. Talent wise Moore is OK. Not great, but OK. But, how many games has he played in since he was drafted? How many practices has he missed? Doesnt matter how good you are if you rarely set foot on the field.
 
lets see how many of these losers get jobs with other teams and become good players then
 
Wildbill3 said:
I love the breakdown, but you have to edit the defense, JJ had a lot to do with it...;)
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I gave JJ credit for 3 people who starts on this D...JT, Zach, and Sam....who else..
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LtDan662002 said:
Good read though I don't completely agree. Just because guys are cut by Nick doesn't mean they don't have talent in the right system. Nicks system is a lot different than Wanny's system thus he needs different type/size players.
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You are correct sir!
 
finsnchips said:
how to detroy a franchise??

GM Rick Spielman
HC Dave Wannstedt.
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So therefore doesn't some of this have to fall on Wayne? I understand going after JJ at the time. He had an impressive resume, and had already replaced a legendary coach in Landry. But that final year when Wayne begged him to stay was the beginning of the end for us. JJ stayed on without passion and basically told Wayne that Wanny was the next HC. Why was that his choice? And then going into Wanny's final year, he should have fired him and RS, but instead gave Wanny a contract extension and made RS the GM! Really poor management IMO.

Now don't get me wrong; I actually think Wayne's one of the better owners (think Snyder or Jones), but I think he put way too much blind faith in JJ, both while he was here and after he was gone. But now he went out and got Saban, so all is forgiven.:) Disregard this rant!
 
MDFINFAN said:
I gave JJ credit for 3 people who starts on this D...JT, Zach, and Sam....who else..
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my bad, anyway, off the whole team we have 3 starters that JJ drafted still on the team, not too good...

and before you say anything in JJ's favor, (not that you would...)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/events/1998/nfldraft/teams/dolphins/

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/events/1998/nfldraft/news/1998/04/07/1997draft/7.html




I propose that the teams destuction started a couple of years before Wanny took over.
 
So he was a bad GM. Someone here thinks he was in the same league as Marv Levy when it comes to head coaching. So is Wanny on his way to Canton?
 
at least they picked chambers and mcmichael. without those two, our team would suck even more.
 
yankeehillbilly said:
Eddie Moore might make it if Saban hires a trauma team to stand by on the sidelines and wait for Moore's next injury. Talent wise Moore is OK. Not great, but OK. But, how many games has he played in since he was drafted? How many practices has he missed? Doesnt matter how good you are if you rarely set foot on the field.
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Jason Glenn looks like a more durable version of Eddie Moore. IMO, Moore has a ways to go before he'll beat out Glenn. If we keep 6 LBs, it looks like now that it will be Zach, Jr, Spragan, Crowder, Pope and Glenn. Since we have guys like JT and Bowens that will play OLB in some formations, 6 pure LBs are enough, more than likely.
 
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