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How Will the Quarterback Race Affect Miami?

Panthers would have to be eating some serious money I would think in a watson trade. Or the Texans would have to be taking back teddy b (which outside of a stop gap I’m not sure why they would agree to it)
 
hoops said:
Dang he goes to the Jets and pats add a veteran competent qb and our division becomes the toughest in football again
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I think this happens either way...The AFCE represents every season in the playoffs and I am happy its not NE this season as it has been.
That reminds me...Belicheat does not look like a Great Wizard NFL Coaching Genius without Brady under center does he? HUM....
 
mrbunglez said:
You all are being biased because we’re all Miami fans. Not every player wants to play here over some other team, so stop thinking that’s the case.
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Watson supposedly just a week ago preferred the Dolphins, now because the jets hire a new coach he wants the Jets. He has become a jerk real fast after just signing a huge contract with the Texans.

Keep him far away from the Dolphins.
 
Digital said:
Not sure how I would feel about giving up on Tua and trading massive resources in a trade. Deshaun Watson is an unquestioned upgrade over Tua, but the cost will be high, and Coach Flo seems to be building a defensive powerhouse and a game manager QB who makes very few errors and is an excellent decision maker might be a winning formula. Watson would score more points, and he's also responsible with the ball, but he will cost essentially three 1st round picks. X is at his prime, but he'll cost a lot to re-re-sign, and we've invested a lot into Byron Jones and Kyle Van Noy, so re-signing Watson will crush our cap cushion and kind of nail us to the roster. Giving up 3 high picks (maybe we can trade Tua for a late 1st or early 2nd?) cuts down on our ability to fill the holes and jump from a decent team to a Super Bowl contending team.

We didn't really experience meaningful injuries in 2020. Sure, we had WR's go down, a few minor ones along the OL, but almost no key guys went down. Pass rusher = Ogbah, no injury. Coverage = X + Jones, minor injury time. LB's = Van Noy + Baker + Van Ginkel, minimal injuries. That's unlikely to happen again. Our depth was not tested in 2020. Look back at our OL injury woes over the last decade ... this was probably the healthiest season for a Dolphins OL in recent memory. We had 2 QB's, but moving forward, we'll only have 1 starter, and no super-sub backup. We had turnover at RB, but since the subs (Gaskins, Ahmed) proved better than the starters (Jordan Howard and Matt Breida), not sure we can attribute that to injury as much as simply a weak position group. The recent history of X makes it very possible he's injured for a lot of games most seasons. Van Noy isn't a spring chicken. Our OL isn't likely to maintain that health record every year. We're going to need the guys from the 2021 draft to improve this team as both starters and backups. Trading away 3 high picks, means we're really getting almost all backups.

So trading for Watson is very much a double-edged sword.

BUT, the Jets have been the very definition of snake-bitten QB's since .... oh I dunno, Tony Eason? Them getting Watson would be a game changer ... in a very bad way. Let's face it, the Jets take can't miss prospects like Quinnen Williams and make them ordinary. They replace their star DL with another can't miss DL and just cycle the bottom two rungs of the division. They take guys who were offensive stars like Brandon Marshall, Leveon Bell, etc. and continue to produce a weak team. Giving them Watson would be a massive step up, and since I don't really fear them drafting 3 guys in the 1st round ... I'd really rather they NOT get Deshaun Watson.

I can't see how the Patriots could land Watson. Brady left and they fell, while Brady is in the NFC Championship game with the Bucs. While I firmly believe the secret sauce of New England is Belichick, it's looking like Brady was the real talent based on this one year's results. Can't see Watson wanting to go there where the coach doesn't let his star players get anything they want, will only offer a low priced re-signing number, doesn't get him weapons, and may retire on him. Couple that with the fact the Patriots will not be able to present an attractive offer to the Texans ... yeah, I highly doubt Watson goes to the Patriots.

As far as the draft, the Jets hold all the cards and will decide the value of our pick. If they trade for Watson, then Zack Wilson goes #2 and anyone who wants Fields will want to trade up with us. But, most teams (at least right now) don't value Fields as highly as they do Wilson. But it's the Jets, so they could pass on Watson and pass on taking a QB and draft Sewell or Smith or Chase, meaning lots of teams will want to trade up to #3 to get there guy, and yes, our pick may become very valuable. Trade back a bit, pick up another 1st or 2nd round pick, still get an elite player, and our rebuild continues smooth sailing.

We do not control our own destiny in the draft. Everything hinges on what the Jets do. Fortunately, the Jets recent history is one chocked full of making bad decisions.
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I don’t agree that we had a healthier than normal year...besides losing Preston Williams early and other receiver injuries...We experienced several O-line injuries that messed with cohesion.

I do believe the Jets hold the key to our options.

Detroit may or may not be a trade down option.
 
andyahs said:
Watson supposedly just a week ago preferred the Dolphins, now because the jets hire a new coach he wants the Jets. He has become a jerk real fast after just signing a huge contract with the Texans.

Keep him far away from the Dolphins.
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Be careful of propaganda spread by people with interests in creating confusion....

We all should be aware of that now!
 
hoops said:
Dang he goes to the Jets and pats add a veteran competent qb and our division becomes the toughest in football again
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Do you go all in to get weapons for Tua, or get a top defender first?

Does Watson going to the Jets make Parsons more of a target?
 
Digital said:
Not sure how I would feel about giving up on Tua and trading massive resources in a trade. Deshaun Watson is an unquestioned upgrade over Tua, but the cost will be high, and Coach Flo seems to be building a defensive powerhouse and a game manager QB who makes very few errors and is an excellent decision maker might be a winning formula. Watson would score more points, and he's also responsible with the ball, but he will cost essentially three 1st round picks. X is at his prime, but he'll cost a lot to re-re-sign, and we've invested a lot into Byron Jones and Kyle Van Noy, so re-signing Watson will crush our cap cushion and kind of nail us to the roster. Giving up 3 high picks (maybe we can trade Tua for a late 1st or early 2nd?) cuts down on our ability to fill the holes and jump from a decent team to a Super Bowl contending team.

We didn't really experience meaningful injuries in 2020. Sure, we had WR's go down, a few minor ones along the OL, but almost no key guys went down. Pass rusher = Ogbah, no injury. Coverage = X + Jones, minor injury time. LB's = Van Noy + Baker + Van Ginkel, minimal injuries. That's unlikely to happen again. Our depth was not tested in 2020. Look back at our OL injury woes over the last decade ... this was probably the healthiest season for a Dolphins OL in recent memory. We had 2 QB's, but moving forward, we'll only have 1 starter, and no super-sub backup. We had turnover at RB, but since the subs (Gaskins, Ahmed) proved better than the starters (Jordan Howard and Matt Breida), not sure we can attribute that to injury as much as simply a weak position group. The recent history of X makes it very possible he's injured for a lot of games most seasons. Van Noy isn't a spring chicken. Our OL isn't likely to maintain that health record every year. We're going to need the guys from the 2021 draft to improve this team as both starters and backups. Trading away 3 high picks, means we're really getting almost all backups.

So trading for Watson is very much a double-edged sword.

BUT, the Jets have been the very definition of snake-bitten QB's since .... oh I dunno, Tony Eason? Them getting Watson would be a game changer ... in a very bad way. Let's face it, the Jets take can't miss prospects like Quinnen Williams and make them ordinary. They replace their star DL with another can't miss DL and just cycle the bottom two rungs of the division. They take guys who were offensive stars like Brandon Marshall, Leveon Bell, etc. and continue to produce a weak team. Giving them Watson would be a massive step up, and since I don't really fear them drafting 3 guys in the 1st round ... I'd really rather they NOT get Deshaun Watson.

I can't see how the Patriots could land Watson. Brady left and they fell, while Brady is in the NFC Championship game with the Bucs. While I firmly believe the secret sauce of New England is Belichick, it's looking like Brady was the real talent based on this one year's results. Can't see Watson wanting to go there where the coach doesn't let his star players get anything they want, will only offer a low priced re-signing number, doesn't get him weapons, and may retire on him. Couple that with the fact the Patriots will not be able to present an attractive offer to the Texans ... yeah, I highly doubt Watson goes to the Patriots.

As far as the draft, the Jets hold all the cards and will decide the value of our pick. If they trade for Watson, then Zack Wilson goes #2 and anyone who wants Fields will want to trade up with us. But, most teams (at least right now) don't value Fields as highly as they do Wilson. But it's the Jets, so they could pass on Watson and pass on taking a QB and draft Sewell or Smith or Chase, meaning lots of teams will want to trade up to #3 to get there guy, and yes, our pick may become very valuable. Trade back a bit, pick up another 1st or 2nd round pick, still get an elite player, and our rebuild continues smooth sailing.

We do not control our own destiny in the draft. Everything hinges on what the Jets do. Fortunately, the Jets recent history is one chocked full of making bad decisions.
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If Watson really has the Jets atop his list, I expect that will happen. In my mind that's a better scenario for New York than Lawrence.

It will be interesting to see how Miami approaches the offseason. Load up and get weapons for Tua, or look for some players who can matchup with mobile quarterbacks.
 
Good_Dylan said:
I think this happens either way...The AFCE represents every season in the playoffs and I am happy its not NE this season as it has been.
That reminds me...Belicheat does not look like a Great Wizard NFL Coaching Genius without Brady under center does he? HUM....
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I believe he is one or two games under .500 without Brady under center.

More than 100 games too, which is significant.
 
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