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Barry Jackson article. Canes still have an 18 year contract and may be looking to get out from under it potentially leaving ross empty handed with Sun Life.

David Beckham’s group is exploring the feasibility of building a soccer stadium that would be large enough to accommodate the University of Miami football team, and UM would have interest if the stadium meets the school’s requirements and if the Hurricanes can somehow escape their long Sun Life Stadium lease, according to sources on both sides.

Beckham’s group and UM have had preliminary discussions, but the Beckham camp and MLS likely need a couple of months to determine whether it’s realistic.

UM has told the Beckham camp that it needs a stadium with at least 40,000 seats to accommodate Hurricanes games; Beckham’s group initially has spoken of having 25,000 seats. UM also would need the stadium to have sufficient parking, large enough locker-rooms and enough suites.

Though Beckham likes the idea, there are significant obstacles that could torpedo a UM/MLS shared facility. Perhaps the biggest: UM would need to negotiate to escape the 18 remaining years on its lease with Sun Life Stadium. It’s unclear how much Dolphins and stadium owner Stephen Ross would seek financially to permit UM to do that, or if he would allow it at all. UM has no idea because the matter has never been broached.


Another potential obstacle: Beckham must find a site big enough to accommodate a 40,000-seat stadium and the expected traffic. Also, if the site that’s determined to be best and most realistic for soccer isn’t suitable for college football, then the idea of UM playing there likely would be tabled.

“We’re interested enough in the potential of this to explore the possibility,” an MLS source said. And UM is very interested in hearing what Beckham’s group determines, according to a UM official.

UM isn’t unhappy at Sun Life but would be intrigued by the possibility of playing in a more cozy facility that’s closer to campus. UM is not interested in financing the stadium; that has not been discussed.

Beckham’s incentive to build a larger stadium to lure UM? Not only would his facility have more seats to accommodate larger soccer crowds, but Beckham would have a rent-paying marquee tenant playing there.

Beckham has said the stadium construction will be privately financed, but he hired lobbyists to seek a state sales tax rebate to help with costs.

Beckham's group and the city aren't sure how much the stadium will cost, and that will hinge partly on capacity. But costs of recent new MLS stadiums or planned ones have varied widely, from $84 million for the proposed 18,000-seat stadium in Orlando, to $95 million for a 22,000-seat facility in Houston, to $200 million for a 25,000-seat state-of-the-art stadium in Kansas City.

Among the sites under consideration, the one that might be best suited to accommodate a 40,000-seat stadium is the 36-acre PortMiami location, according to a Miami-Dade County official. But Beckham’s group hasn’t determined if that site is realistic for college football.

One concern is that many cruise ships depart in the afternoon, when UM plays many of its games. Conversely, most or all MLS games will be at night. Building a stadium on the PortMiami site would need county approval.

A proposed site west of Marlins Park likely would not be large enough to accommodate a 40,000 capacity, according to a county official.

A few county officials are aware of the possibility of UM sharing a stadium with MLS, but they are not involved in those discussions and haven’t been updated on that.

“Capacity hasn’t come up,” a county official said. “We’re still very early in the process. It’s an interesting idea.”

UM wants no fewer than 40,000 seats because it has about 30,000 season-ticket holders and allots 6000 seats for students and another 4000 to sell to the visiting team.

UM athletic director Blake James declined to comment. A spokesman for Beckham’s group declined to discuss the likelihood of building a stadium to accommodate UM, saying the group’s focus is “on identifying the right site for a soccer stadium.”

### Marlins Park remains the front-runner to host the Miami MLS team for a year while the proposed stadium is being built. But Marlins Park has been given no assurances.

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Beckham is just looking to extract money from the county and/or State. After his pleading is falling on deaf ears he bloated that they would build without tax dollars. Now he is looking for investors and he finds out that nobody would invest without tax dollars. I guess he is hoping that by teaming up with UM lawmakers would be willing to add money.

And why would UM request only a 40k stadium? Granted attendance is dismal right now but just with the Dolphins: win and they will come. Losing is the basic disease of every empty stadium. I saw a couple of UF games this year and that vaunted swamp was only half filled.
 
Miami needs their own place. Sun Life is cavernous for their games.
 
Miami needs their own place. Sun Life is cavernous for their games.

Why do they need their own stadium?

UM is a small private university. I believe their attendance is at 13 or 14000. Just from a student body they couldn't even fill half of any stadium up. Which is totally opposite from most major public universities. UM relies more on outside fans than most colleges. And here they compete with major professional sports. In a tri-county market like ours every sports team relies on all three counties. We are also a melting pot of out-of-towners and foreigners. Where would UM want a stadium? Downtown? South Miami? On campus? Port area?

That worked quite well for the Marlins right? After the inaugural year with an average of 27k they are back down to 19k which was their average number before Marlins Park. That move down south paid out really good. The Heat sells good because except the first three years they are always somewhat in playoff contention. But even in down years they have a rough time to draw. In early 2000 when they missed the playoffs a couple years they were at 80% of the capacity. Arison is lucking out because he has invested a lot of money in the Heat and makes them a contender for the last few years.

There is a reason why Joe Robbie build the stadium at the county line and BB&T center was build in Sunrise. The vision of a shifting demographics. If the Dolphins played the way they are playing now and still would be playing at the Orange Bowl that stadium would be emptier than SunLife is these days. Same with the Panthers. If they still be playing in Miami Arena you could greet fans with a handshake it would be so empty.

I go regularly to UM games. But if they, right now, would be playing in downtown Miami I would not go. I also attend about 20 Panthers home games a year. When they played in Miami Arena I saw maybe 5 games a year even during their playoff run.

Beckham makes a mistake by putting the stadium into the downtown area and UM would not be wise to follow them.

The Fort Lauderdale Strikers are playing in Fort Lauderdale which is almost dead center in the tricounty area. As Miami FC they drew about 500 fans a few years back. After they moved attendance increased and they are drawing now around 3-4000 per game. When they played in Miami I wasn't there once. Now I go to a handfull of games.

Our demographics are so unlike any other area that you can not just plop a stadium into Downtown and you think it will be a success. You are losing your lifeline to Broward and Palm Beach County. Ask the Marlins.
 
Exactly Dude. Need a new Orange Bowl in Sawgrass. Unfortunately only Good Teams and Good Owners get new Stadiums. Sun Life is a Dump

I find it fascinating when people declare SunLife a dump. It certainly is not.
It may not be what everybody wants but it is a quite loud stadium when there is reason to cheer. During the 90s it was a loud stadium at times. But several things happened in the 90s. We were used to success with playoff appearances from the 80s and early 90s so just making the playoffs was not good enough. The next decade we sucked. Look at games like NE this year when it was extremely loud.

That SunLife is a reason that we do not have homefield advantage is a myth. You know what was a dump? The Orange Bowl. That was a dump at the end.
 
Hurricanes need to go but they'll never pay 18 years to get out of it.

People break leases all the time and pay nothing.

What truly needs to go is Sun Life Stadium. It's an abysmal place to watch a GOOD football product muchless an average one.

Lots of average in that stadium between the Dolphins & Hurricanes.
 
Pay the amount of the next 18 years and they can go.

Maybe then Ross can put that money towards building us a brand new stadium and getting us out of the dump we currently play in. EDIT: After reading further, I see others share that thought lol.
 
makes sense the stadium is far too big for the um fans that just about manage to fill a corner of it... I thought the dolphins had bad attendances until I saw a UM game
 
The Canes need a stadium like Cincinnati or Louisville.
 
The Canes need a stadium like Cincinnati or Louisville.

Miami just needs to get back to a top level program. They easily can get 60 plus in that stadium no problem when there's a formidable program in there or the canes are a top team. Hell this year when Miami was #7 and 4-3 wake forest came in they drew 65+. Miami's problem is the talent on the field, you fix that and you will fix the attendance issue. Kind of similar to how some people were blaming the Fins' problems on low attendance rather than the room temperature collection of talent Jeff Ireland took 6 years to assemble. It's just that plain and simple in big market cities, you win and they will show up.
 
Seeing how small the crowds are at Hurricane games, they could play at a high school facility and still have seating space left over.

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Sad to think of the old Orange Bowl jammed with 75,000 plus fans at Hurricanes games and now they're lucky to have 30,000 fans show up (even when they're winning)
 
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