''I don't believe in throwing the ball. We have to run the ball to win.''

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Why can't everyone realize that no one philosophy always works or always fails?

Carolina and Baltimore were MORE predictable than Miami last year.

You have to have the players to run any system. You can claim that we didn't have the OL last year to be a great running team. Fine, did we have the players to be a great passing team? NO. The people complaining act like Wanny had Marino at QB and has refused to let him throw. That wasn't Wanny, that was JJ.

This year is different. I fully expect Wanny and the offensive coaches to devise game plans that best use our players. If they don't, they will get fired. All of this concern about what Wanny says at press conferences is nonsense. Lets see what happens when they play the game.

 

[bigmiamifan]

Additonnally, with Ricky and an awesome running game, Dave got his wish and won in the playoffs a total of ZERO times! He never made it to the playoffs with a great ground attack!! Moron

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

He did say the fins would have a great passing game and a D that would be the best in franchise history. Who believes what he says anymore?

The D is on pace to allow 160 points this year. That would be the best in franchise history.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Additonnally, with Ricky and an awesome running game, Dave got his wish and won in the playoffs a total of ZERO times! He never made it to the playoffs with a great ground attack!! Moron

And why did he miss the playoffs in 2002? Because of poor play BY THE QUARTERBACK IN THE PASSING GAME.

BTW, last year was not an awesome running game.

 

[SBCHAMPSPHINZ]

Wanny stated this in the press conference and seemed pissed off that the passing games resulted in three turnovers.

''You wanted the ball thrown?'' he said in disgust, ''well, you got the ball thrown.''

How do you guys feel? I think that our talent is definitely slanted to a passing game and we can pass the ball and win. I personally feel its silly to try to squeeze a passing quarterback, a pass catching tight end and talented receivers and relegate them to blocking for a running game that is just not there. Maybe balance for this team is overrated and we need to accept the talent on hand.

Opinions?

we gotta mix it up if we woulda mixed it up last year we coulve gotten sumwhere

 

[JJ777]

I put this on another thread but look at these stats:

We track the effect of 300-yard passers and 100-yard rushers on teams' won-lost records.

300YP -- Last week, 2-2 (.500); Last season, 30-31 (.492).
100YR -- Last week, 9-3 (.750); Last season, 107-44 (.709).

I dont think Wanny is saying he chooses to run irregardless of the situation but I think he is saying that running the ball not passing the ball will give Miami the best chance to win. In other words Miami is not going back to Dan sitting in the pocket slinging the ball. The focus and emphasis will always be to run the ball and use passing to setup the run and keep the D in check.

 

[CUBANBADGUY]

Wanny stated this in the press conference and seemed pissed off that the passing games resulted in three turnovers.

''You wanted the ball thrown?'' he said in disgust, ''well, you got the ball thrown.''

How do you guys feel? I think that our talent is definitely slanted to a passing game and we can pass the ball and win. I personally feel its silly to try to squeeze a passing quarterback, a pass catching tight end and talented receivers and relegate them to blocking for a running game that is just not there. Maybe balance for this team is overrated and we need to accept the talent on hand.

Opinions?

I completely agree! Thank god that this @$$ wasn't the Head Coach during Marino's day, 'cause Dan wouldn't have had the record setting history that we Fans lived for. He would've been a hand-off QB!!!! Pisses me off to even think of it!!!!! :fire:

 

[MARLINSFAN305]

I posted that phrase in another thread and had the same response that you did. We have enough weapons in the passing game to be successful. We should rely more on the passing game since its the more talented position compared to running back and the new offensive line we have.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
315 522 60.3 3838 7.35 29 10 93.5

Would these stats be considered okay for the Fins passing game this year?

 

[PhinBeck]

It is a position that we will not be a one dimensional team. We wont give up on the run, we will continue call run plays and make defenses play bot the run and pass.

Super, maybe you arent werent bashing Wanny, many are/were. Point still remains that I read it as him saying we will not be one dimensional and become a passing team.

I am not a Wanny supporter, I just dont follow the philosophy that if I dislike that persons coaching ability that means everything he says is proposterous

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
315 522 60.3 3838 7.35 29 10 93.5

Would these stats be considered okay for the Fins passing game this year?

These stats were put up by Erik Kramer in 1995. His coach DAVE WANNSTEDT.

Give it a rest. He will not pull a JJ on this team.

 

[MDFINFAN]

I agree, but Miami will be a running team first as long as Dave is the head coach.

As it should be, the greenbay game was the perfect example vs the panthers.

 

[Shawn-l]

I put this on another thread but look at these stats:



I dont think Wanny is saying he chooses to run irregardless of the situation but I think he is saying that running the ball not passing the ball will give Miami the best chance to win. In other words Miami is not going back to Dan sitting in the pocket slinging the ball. The focus and emphasis will always be to run the ball and use passing to setup the run and keep the D in check.

It is paramount to run the ball but more importantly and I feel a lot of people don't seet this is that, you need a "ball-control" offense to win. I believe, just based on physics, that a defensive player expends more energy than an offensive player does on any given play as an offensive player knows where he needs to go and their movements are as efficient as possible to accomplish that where as a defensive player has to "react" to the offensive players movement creating inefficient movements to compensate thus expending more energy.

So, during the course of a game, it is important to keep your opponents defense on the field and keep your defense off of it. Getting short yardage averaged out over the course of a game accomplishes that goal. By design, running the football accomplishes that goal and is easier to execute but a short/high-percentage passing game also accomplishes that goal. Just take a look at New England's games last year, they bascially invented the short passing/high effiency offense to supplement their piss poor running game.

I'm particularly interested to see stats of games won/lost based on time of possession rather than just passing/running yards. I believe this will support my argument but it will take some time to gather. Be back later.

EDIT: 10 - 6 last week for teams with higher TOP. Not a particularly telling stat but it does lean to winning more than losing. Actually, quite a few of the 6 losses the TOP difference was very minimal, still had to count it though.

 

[darkoak]

These stats were put up by Erik Kramer in 1995. His coach DAVE WANNSTEDT.

Give it a rest. He will not pull a JJ on this team.

9 - 7 - 0
No playoffs
Lost 5 of their last 8 games
The coach Dave Wanndstedt

Give it a rest he's pulling a Bears on our team.

 

[SuperFin34]

It is a position that we will not be a one dimensional team. We wont give up on the run, we will continue call run plays and make defenses play bot the run and pass.

Super, maybe you arent werent bashing Wanny, many are/were. Point still remains that I read it as him saying we will not be one dimensional and become a passing team.

I am not a Wanny supporter, I just dont follow the philosophy that if I dislike that persons coaching ability that means everything he says is proposterous

I see what your saying but i got the impression that dave doesnt really want balance, Note the quote used in the subject, I dont believe in PASSING the ball. We HAVE to run the ball to win. That doesnt sound like a coach commited to balance, once a gain this is not a knock. As someone pointed out, The ravens used the same philosophy last year and it worked for them. What i am saying is that we dont have J. Odgen or jamal lewis and therefore Saying We have to run the ball to win even with more talent on the passing side just seems asinine.