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I honestly want to praise Ireland as GM

Across the board Ireland has done a good job. You have to wiegh his misses with his hits. So far he has had hits in the first round where a team really cannot afford to miss. Odrick currently is the only one you can debate if the guy stays injured etc. In the second round Merling, Pat White, third round Patrick Turner, John Jerry are offset with the Deveon Bess, Carpenter, Hartline, Lankford later round picks. Throw in free agency with Wake, Dansby, Strarks and Fasano they offset the early picks of Grove, Wilson and Smiley of which we did get some milage out of those guys.
Anyway I am tired of starting over again wiping out the team to rebuild. I feel like we have a very good core. So if something does happen this year I just hope its just the coach and not Ireland.
Now I did enjoy Jimmy Johnsons drafts much better as he was the king of trading down for more picks before Bill B of the Pats got into the act. Drafting is like gamblling you are just going to loose out some but the more chips you have increase the chances of you winning and or making a good pick. So IMO Ireland could do better by trading down IMO in the draft. This year IMO I would have loved us to have gone Ingram in the late 1st, Rayan Mallet in the 2nd and the best guard/ center availabe in the 3rd with maybe the tight end from Arkansas in the 5th that we gave away to move up in the draft. The fan base would be much more pumped and Henne would have the competition. Of course I am not sure that would be a good thing for Henne and the team as a QB controversy never works out well.
We need to resign Ricky Williams as some insurance for Thomas as well as give the kid a decent tutor. If Thomas goes down we are left with Hillard as our power back. Grisby, Sheets and Bush cannt grind it out.
Also our defense ranking was parially due to that pound and ground attack. If we start trying to move it through the air more that usually hurts the defense as they are on the clock more.
 
phintim said:
Across the board Ireland has done a good job. You have to wiegh his misses with his hits. So far he has had hits in the first round where a team really cannot afford to miss. Odrick currently is the only one you can debate if the guy stays injured etc. In the second round Merling, Pat White, third round Patrick Turner, John Jerry are offset with the Deveon Bess, Carpenter, Hartline, Lankford later round picks. Throw in free agency with Wake, Dansby, Strarks and Fasano they offset the early picks of Grove, Wilson and Smiley of which we did get some milage out of those guys.
Anyway I am tired of starting over again wiping out the team to rebuild. I feel like we have a very good core. So if something does happen this year I just hope its just the coach and not Ireland.
Now I did enjoy Jimmy Johnsons drafts much better as he was the king of trading down for more picks before Bill B of the Pats got into the act. Drafting is like gamblling you are just going to loose out some but the more chips you have increase the chances of you winning and or making a good pick. So IMO Ireland could do better by trading down IMO in the draft. This year IMO I would have loved us to have gone Ingram in the late 1st, Rayan Mallet in the 2nd and the best guard/ center availabe in the 3rd with maybe the tight end from Arkansas in the 5th that we gave away to move up in the draft. The fan base would be much more pumped and Henne would have the competition. Of course I am not sure that would be a good thing for Henne and the team as a QB controversy never works out well.
We need to resign Ricky Williams as some insurance for Thomas as well as give the kid a decent tutor. If Thomas goes down we are left with Hillard as our power back. Grisby, Sheets and Bush cannt grind it out.
Also our defense ranking was parially due to that pound and ground attack. If we start trying to move it through the air more that usually hurts the defense as they are on the clock more.
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ingram is an injury liability.. no doubt, hes going to be a quality player in this league but, pouncey projects as a top 5 player at his position.. might as well make the offensive line better so we can add a playmaker at running back... oh wait, thats what we did... it sucks that we have to rely on henne becoming a good quarterback.. wish we didnt have to do it.. but its going to be his third year starting, and we have a new coaching staff for him to work with.. lets see how he does with it...! we have nothing left to do but this!
 
I agree, I think Ireland drafts pretty solid and does his job very well. I think most of these decisions the last year or so that made miami look bad (jim harbaugh + kyle orton) was all on Ross. Obviously the Jim Harbaugh thing was because of Ross but I think the Orton thing was too. Even the dez bryant situation, he asked appropriate questions related to to the situation.

I don't think we will ever know, correct me if I'm wrong, who wanted to draft who when Parcells was here, other then Jake Long vs Matt Ryan and drafting Pat White.

But I think Karlos Dansby came here because of Parcells and the whole thing with Parcells telling him that he's great back in Dallas. But you never know, maybe Ireland had something to do with it.

But I do think Ireland is a very good GM and I hope he still stays after this year if Sparano goes.
 
I think he sucks.

Look at last years draft, Odrick with the one pick, clearly he wasn't a need as he only played a game for us and the D-line was just fine without him. Maybe it was good value or maybe other coaches knew he had toothpicks for legs and thats why he fell. either way it was the safe pick which, in retrospect should have been used on a playmaker.

Another safe pick in the second with Misi when we could have just re-signed Taylor and used that pick on a playmaker.

On to this years draft: I hated the strategy, if you're going to draft a RB and a Guard/Center with your first 2 picks why didn't we trade down and take Ingram and get an extra pick as opposed to giving up a pick to move up and take Thomas.

We could have gotten Ingram, random gaurd/center in the third, another player in the 5th and we could have gotten Mallet with the pick we gained in the second. That sounds a hell of a lot better than just Pouncy and Thomas to me.

Plus I think Ingram is going to be a beast as a RB in the NFL but the jury is out on Thomas to say the least.

I know Ireland said there was no option to trade down which leads me to my next beef with him:

He's kind of a douche. A good GM needs to be great at social networking as much as anything. In my opinion Nolan came here solely because of Parcells who seems to be aware of all the goings on at everybody camps and he has the ability to get deals done quietly. Plus Parcells would have found a way to trade out of 12, I can guarantee you that.

Also, you notice how New Englands deals all get announced only after the ink is dried and they seem to come out of the blue? Compare that with the Orton fiasco where everybody and their dog knew we wanted to trade for him, then it doesn't even happen. Thats pretty disgraceful.
 
roy_miami said:
I think he sucks.

Look at last years draft, Odrick with the one pick, clearly he wasn't a need as he only played a game for us and the D-line was just fine without him. Maybe it was good value or maybe other coaches knew he had toothpicks for legs and thats why he fell. either way it was the safe pick which, in retrospect should have been used on a playmaker.

Another safe pick in the second with Misi when we could have just re-signed Taylor and used that pick on a playmaker.

On to this years draft: I hated the strategy, if you're going to draft a RB and a Guard/Center with your first 2 picks why didn't we trade down and take Ingram and get an extra pick as opposed to giving up a pick to move up and take Thomas.

We could have gotten Ingram, random gaurd/center in the third, another player in the 5th and we could have gotten Mallet with the pick we gained in the second. That sounds a hell of a lot better than just Pouncy and Thomas to me.

Plus I think Ingram is going to be a beast as a RB in the NFL but the jury is out on Thomas to say the least.

I know Ireland said there was no option to trade down which leads me to my next beef with him:

He's kind of a douche. A good GM needs to be great at social networking as much as anything. In my opinion Nolan came here solely because of Parcells who seems to be aware of all the goings on at everybody camps and he has the ability to get deals done quietly. Plus Parcells would have found a way to trade out of 12, I can guarantee you that.

Also, you notice how New Englands deals all get announced only after the ink is dried and they seem to come out of the blue? Compare that with the Orton fiasco where everybody and their dog knew we wanted to trade for him, then it doesn't even happen. Thats pretty disgraceful.
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I knew someone with sense would post. I didnt want to be the first.

Damn straight on the Ingram deal. No reason not to take Ingram, Mallett, and the guy I liked for cornfedness was Moffitt out of Wisconsin. Pure mauler. Fits the philosophy of these morons too. Couldve plugged him in at G and gotten a quality C through FA as there were quite a few available. Couldve gotten all 3 in a row.

Could you imagine our RBs being Ingram and Bush. Thats a solid 1-2 punch of different styles too. Throw in Ricky to give Ingram a break on occasion and still punish people. Ricky wouldve been a nice guy to fill either role of those 2 players on occasion to keep everyone fresh. And we wouldve had a QB.
 
from what i remember of the draft, i heard that no team really wanted to trade up to 15 at the time of selection, so im happy with the move they made at 15
 
madmic21 said:
He has done a great job. If someone had time it would be interesting to go back at teams drafts the last 4 years and we would find out that he has done pretty well. I watch all these domesloppers on the Pats and the genius drafting of BB and think what the heck? He has done a good job acquiring picks but he has done little in using them. He just trades them away in the draft ect. Yeah he traded Seymore for a 1st whooohooo dude played lights out last year. And they acquired what in return.

As far as the QB spot... He missed on Ryan a non playoff winning QB for a LT who is in progress of a Hall of Fame career. LT is the 2nd or 3rd most important position too. Outside of that.. he hasn't mortaged the future on a reach at the QB postion. Its not like we had shots at guy in where we were drafting and those that were available haven't exactly excelled.
PS Buzz Rant!
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The word 'great' is used far to sparingly these days. Ireland has done a solid job thus far.

But its all about the QB and Miami's unspectacular search in finding one.
 
roy_miami said:
I think he sucks.

Look at last years draft, Odrick with the one pick, clearly he wasn't a need as he only played a game for us and the D-line was just fine without him. Maybe it was good value or maybe other coaches knew he had toothpicks for legs and thats why he fell. either way it was the safe pick which, in retrospect should have been used on a playmaker.

Another safe pick in the second with Misi when we could have just re-signed Taylor and used that pick on a playmaker.

On to this years draft: I hated the strategy, if you're going to draft a RB and a Guard/Center with your first 2 picks why didn't we trade down and take Ingram and get an extra pick as opposed to giving up a pick to move up and take Thomas.

We could have gotten Ingram, random gaurd/center in the third, another player in the 5th and we could have gotten Mallet with the pick we gained in the second. That sounds a hell of a lot better than just Pouncy and Thomas to me.

Plus I think Ingram is going to be a beast as a RB in the NFL but the jury is out on Thomas to say the least.

I know Ireland said there was no option to trade down which leads me to my next beef with him:

He's kind of a douche. A good GM needs to be great at social networking as much as anything. In my opinion Nolan came here solely because of Parcells who seems to be aware of all the goings on at everybody camps and he has the ability to get deals done quietly. Plus Parcells would have found a way to trade out of 12, I can guarantee you that.

Also, you notice how New Englands deals all get announced only after the ink is dried and they seem to come out of the blue? Compare that with the Orton fiasco where everybody and their dog knew we wanted to trade for him, then it doesn't even happen. Thats pretty disgraceful.
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Have you noticed that we are following the Pats philosophy here. In regards to Odrick. You build depth and infuse youth behind it. Then you dump your players needing big contracts, and replace them with young talent and acquire draft picks. We are building a roster full of depth that can put us in positions to recieve draft picks to continue to build a team to compete for many years. This team unless blown up by hasty impatient decision makers has the makings of a team that can compete year in and year out. I am almost sure this point was pitched by Ireland in convincing Ross to stay the course.
 
Henne is not Ireland's QB. From what I remember, Parcells wanted Long and Ireland wanted Ryan. So saying that Ireland hasn't found his QB yet is false because Ireland HAD his QB in Matt Ryan, but Parcells said no. Ireland will get his QB in this years draft, mark it down
 
madmic21 said:
Have you noticed that we are following the Pats philosophy here. In regards to Odrick. You build depth and infuse youth behind it. Then you dump your players needing big contracts, and replace them with young talent and acquire draft picks. We are building a roster full of depth that can put us in positions to recieve draft picks to continue to build a team to compete for many years. This team unless blown up by hasty impatient decision makers has the makings of a team that can compete year in and year out. I am almost sure this point was pitched by Ireland in convincing Ross to stay the course.
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That's not the way to build a team, when a team lacks playmakers you take them in the first round, not cornfed lineman. And you don't draft for depth in the first round that's stupid, the patriots can do it because they already have a good team, we don't.
 
Phins28 said:
That's not the way to build a team, when a team lacks playmakers you take them in the first round, not cornfed lineman. And you don't draft for depth in the first round that's stupid, the patriots can do it because they already have a good team, we don't.
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And they already have the best QB in the league. They did get lucky and pull him in the 6th round, but if they had not, you can bet your *** they wouldve been taking a QB first round once Bledsoe started to fizzle. They sure as hell wouldnt have been taking cornfed linemen.

Let us not also forget that BB is a master of trading for future picks and stockpiling. They usually have about 5-6 picks in the first 3 rounds. Then they can always trade one or two of those for a pick a round earlier in the next years draft. Thats how its done.

So yea, they basically have the luxury of spending picks on depth for the D Line if they want to, even in the early rounds.
 
Parcells is a ****ing troll. To be honest, I dont trust and wouldnt trust anyone he brought in here. I would wash this whole franchise clean of any Parcells residue. That tuna is not dolphin safe. Bet your ***. Id bring in the ****ing mermaid from Chicken of the Sea to run the team before I would trust anyone Parcells hired.
 
You can't credit him with the good picks and blame Parcells for the bad. This is the first season of Ireland and the reviews are mixed. Nice job bringing in Bush and Burnett but the most important position wasn't addressed. Additionally, I am more than a little pissed they didn't call Ronnie. That is bad business. Even if you don't want him, the call should have been made to tell him they are going in another direction. There is a trend with Ireland's lack of people skills which his mentor was notorious for. Ryan Clark, Dez Bryant, Ronnie Brown, each may seem as no big deal but when you start adding them up it may be cause for concern.

No doubt he has an eye for talent and would be great as the head of scouting but as a GM, I am not overly impressed.
 
solid drafts? Patrick Turner, 3rd round pick...gone! Jon Jerry, 3rd round pic...will be gone in a couple weeks. Showed up out of shape and totall overweight. Pat White, sorry not buying the Parcells thing. That is mark on Ireland's resume. And if Henne stinks that is another early round failure. '

Also Long over Matt Ryan doesn't look good either.
 
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