If we can't draft, we can't win....

[islandah]

Every year, I try to be positive and hopeful with whatever new players, coaches, systems, etc. But with the failure of Vontae and Sean Smith to live up to their hype, I started really looking at our personel. I realized that the majority of our starters aren't draft picks, they're free agents, meaning our draft picks can't beat out players that other teams let walk.

The unit with the most draft picks starting is the o-line - 2 1st round picks and a high 2nd. That should be a dominant unit - they sure didn't look it last night. Long is a stud, but Pouncey looks average and Martin got flat out beat on a few plays.

NOT ONE other starter on offense was drafted by us! That's ALL our skilled positions - QB-Moore/Garrard,RB- Bush, TE- Fasano, WR-Ochodroppo, Legnne Nanu-nanu, and Bess (was an undrafted FA).

Defense- Odrick and Soliai- dominant game changers? No, serviceable but not scaring anybody. The best D-lineman came from Canada.

Burnett and Dansby are decent linebackers - oh, wait, we didn't draft them, we drafted Koa Misi, the invisible man.

Smith and Davis were the one spot where it appeared we addressed a position of need through smart drafting... They both got abused last night, by a team that was 4-12 last year.

And the weakest unit on the the defense, the safeties? Yeah, we drafted all those guys!

Doesn't matter who the coach is, if we play a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense, WCO vs pro set, until we draft some players that can beat out other teams cast offs for a starting role, we're not going anywhere.

Sorry to be so negative, but I just can't keep the homer glases in place anymore. I feel like the cupboards were bare years ago, and we haven't made any appreciable progress with our drafting. Besides Long and hopefully Tannehill, who have we drafted in the past 5 years that's a truly top player at his position?

 

[Regulus]

Pouncey proved to be one of the better centers in the league by the end of last year. Martin I will withhold judgement until he plays some meaningful games. On defense our drafting has been bad. The secondary in particular. Sean Smith continues to hold the position of my least favorite dolphin. He took it over from Channing Crowder

 

[Strangeworld]

Sean smith sucks....dude is a girl.

That said, it all comes down to Tannehill

 

[islandah]

OK, so in the past 5 years, we've drafted a pro bowl LT, and an above average center.

 

[Hayden Fox]

Where is it on the players to make sure they are professional and develop as professionals themselves?

 

[Spesh]

OK, so in the past 5 years, we've drafted a pro bowl LT, and an above average center.

We are reactionary. We dont fix a hole until it is glaringly obvious.

It puzzled many when the Lions took a wideout in the second round. They have one of the best receivers in the league, they have a young guy who has big play potential in Titus Young, and Nate Burleson is solid. When questioned about the pick the Lions stated that Ryan Broyles was at the top of their board and then correctly pointed out that Burleson was 32 years old. They potentially filled a hole that hadnt began yet. Thats what good teams do, they dont just knee jerk and try and fit a square peg into a round hole.

Your right, the teams that cant draft well suffer. The most successful teams in the league draft a franchise quarterback then draft for talent, not position. We do it the other way around, we try and fill holes over drafting talent. Never was this more obvious then the 2011 draft.
On the plus side, even though we followed our backwards philosophy we had a good draft. A potentially franchise changing draft. There is no need to panic after the first preseason game in a rebuilding year. That said, it would be nice to hit on a second round pick one of these days.

 

[Wildbill3]

OK, so in the past 5 years, we've drafted a pro bowl LT, and an above average center.

don't get me started on the bill parcels headed drafts of 2008, 2009 and 2010. obviously they were bad, and drafting players to fit meatheads needs certainly didn't help. Nor did it help that meathead couldn't develope a ham sandwich if you spot him the bread and the ham on the same plate.

 

[WVDolphan]

Every year, I try to be positive and hopeful with whatever new players, coaches, systems, etc. But with the failure of Vontae and Sean Smith to live up to their hype, I started really looking at our personel. I realized that the majority of our starters aren't draft picks, they're free agents, meaning our draft picks can't beat out players that other teams let walk.

The unit with the most draft picks starting is the o-line - 2 1st round picks and a high 2nd. That should be a dominant unit - they sure didn't look it last night. Long is a stud, but Pouncey looks average and Martin got flat out beat on a few plays.

NOT ONE other starter on offense was drafted by us! That's ALL our skilled positions - QB-Moore/Garrard,RB- Bush, TE- Fasano, WR-Ochodroppo, Legnne Nanu-nanu, and Bess (was an undrafted FA).

Defense- Odrick and Soliai- dominant game changers? No, serviceable but not scaring anybody. The best D-lineman came from Canada.

Burnett and Dansby are decent linebackers - oh, wait, we didn't draft them, we drafted Koa Misi, the invisible man.

Smith and Davis were the one spot where it appeared we addressed a position of need through smart drafting... They both got abused last night, by a team that was 4-12 last year.

And the weakest unit on the the defense, the safeties? Yeah, we drafted all those guys!

Doesn't matter who the coach is, if we play a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense, WCO vs pro set, until we draft some players that can beat out other teams cast offs for a starting role, we're not going anywhere.

Sorry to be so negative, but I just can't keep the homer glases in place anymore. I feel like the cupboards were bare years ago, and we haven't made any appreciable progress with our drafting. Besides Long and hopefully Tannehill, who have we drafted in the past 5 years that's a truly top player at his position?

Parcells, Ireland, and Morono for ya.

But, all of their Kool Aid drinkers would say back in those debates over the last few year..... "But, look at all the STARTERS they drafted".

Of course they are going to start their draft picks, dosent mean they are any good.

Our drafts have been horrible starting with the worst decision of them all, passing on Matt Ryan for a LT. Thats what I like about this new group, right away when they had the opportunity to draft a QB in the early first round, they did it. Good job by them. It already looks like the biggest step we have taken in the correct direction since 1983.

Long - great player but a huge blunder of a pick
Vontae - talented, but stupid and lazy
Pat White -
Patrick Turner - blows
Henne - blows

Its a long list. They drafted a few decent cornfed players and thats it. They did NOTHING for this offense. But, we got a HOF LT WOOOOO. Yea, that has really helped us out a great deal. :rolleyes2: Only offensive pick they really hit on was the biggest blunder they ever made and it was the first overall pick, which made it really difficult to get a bad player even if you make the wrong choice, which they clearly did.

 

[Spesh]

don't get me started on the bill parcels headed drafts of 2008, 2009 and 2010. obviously they were bad, and drafting players to fit meatheads needs certainly didn't help. Nor did it help that meathead couldn't develope a ham sandwich if you spot him the bread and the ham on the same plate.

Before i ask my question, let me first say im not one of those who believe Ireland had no role his first few years here, but ill bite:

Whats the difference between Parcells drafts and Irelands? "Parcells" spent 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 6th round picks on meatheads. Ireland spent a 1st and 2nd round pick on meatheads. Cost wise it doesnt seem to much of a difference to me.

 

[Show Me Your TDs]

Thats the problem with so much Turnover in the regimes. Its hard to go through 3 different regimes and expect the players drafted to fit.

 

[finfan54]

Before i ask my question, let me first say im not one of those who believe Ireland had no role his first few years here, but ill bite:

Whats the difference between Parcells drafts and Irelands? "Parcells" spent 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 6th round picks on meatheads. Ireland spent a 1st and 2nd round pick on meatheads. Cost wise it doesnt seem to much of a difference to me.

Well, I learned today what a meathead is.

???? explain to all us knowledgable fans what a meathead is? And did we not just draft a smart QB with huge upside?

 

[Show Me Your TDs]

Before i ask my question, let me first say im not one of those who believe Ireland had no role his first few years here, but ill bite:

Whats the difference between Parcells drafts and Irelands? "Parcells" spent 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 6th round picks on meatheads. Ireland spent a 1st and 2nd round pick on meatheads. Cost wise it doesnt seem to much of a difference to me.

I would say start evaluating Ireland with drafts 2011 & 2012 and free agency. Anything before that and all of the good and the bad was on the 3.

 

[Spesh]

I would say start evaluating Ireland with drafts 2011 & 2012 and free agency. Anything before that and all of the good and the bad was on the 3.

Attempted to trade for Kyle Orton and pay him more then what he offered Matt Flynn, kept Chad Henne, overdrafted a center and backup running back, traded away our arguably best offensive player for next to nothing, signed Marc Colombo, alienated Jeff Fisher into not signing with us(which was fine with me, didnt want him but others did), and caused our franchise quarterback to holdout despite having an idiot proof draft salary system. Then of course there was the Peyton Manning and Jim Harbaugh debacles. Im probably missing some more events. Didnt he resign Dan Carpenter recently?

On the plus side he traded for Reggie Bush and signed Kevin Burnett.

Hardly what i call breaking even.

 

[Spesh]

Well, I learned today what a meathead is.

???? explain to all us knowledgable fans what a meathead is? And did we not just draft a smart QB with huge upside?

What? Why state that you know what a "meathead" is, then immediately ask what is a "meathead"?

And had Ireland not taken half a decade to draft a potential franchise quarterback then i would be more impressed with him. True to form, it took him 3-4 years longer than other regimes to figure out that not having a quarterback is a problem. Or perhaps he just thought Chad Henne and/or Pat White had the potential to be franchise quarterbacks. In which point, someone needs to stage an intervention and take away his LSD.

 

[finfan54]

Attempted to trade for Kyle Orton and pay him more then what he offered Matt Flynn, kept Chad Henne, overdrafted a center and backup running back, traded away our arguably best offensive player for next to nothing, signed Marc Colombo, alienated Jeff Fisher into not signing with us(which was fine with me, didnt want him but others did), and caused our franchise quarterback to holdout despite having an idiot proof draft salary system. Then of course there was the Peyton Manning and Jim Harbaugh debacles. Im probably missing some more events. Didnt he resign Dan Carpenter recently?

On the plus side he traded for Reggie Bush and signed Kevin Burnett.

Hardly what i call breaking even.

You buy too much into the "on paper" theory. You have no idea that the 2-3rd rounders we got for Marshall dont end up making us better in the long haul. How many times does it need to be said that Philbin doesnt need a Marshall?

We need 6-7 guys who are ready to run in the "count to four" offense and play their role and get open and catch the ball based on what the defense is giving you. Marshall is too lazy and a headcase to understand that concept. He is not a team player. He throws a tantrum even when he gets the ball thrown his way and catches it. He has mental issues. Not needed on this team. Which is why Ocho is getting his Philbin training right now. Ocho not passing test. Too worried about his media mode mentality while at the same time saying he is not talking to media. what a joke. Thats not going to cut it with this offense.

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What? Why state that you know what a "meathead" is, then immediately ask what is a "meathead"?

And had Ireland not taken half a decade to draft a potential franchise quarterback then i would be more impressed with him. True to form, it took him 3-4 years longer than other regimes to figure out that not having a quarterback is a problem. Or perhaps he just thought Chad Henne and/or Pat White had the potential to be franchise quarterbacks. In which point, someone needs to stage an intervention and take away his LSD.

thing called sarcasm

and to Henne/White debacle. I really dont live in the past. Ireland will do what the HC wants as far as recipe of players is concerned. We have Philbin now. Thats all I look to now. Philbin will tell Ireland what he needs and Ireland will go get it for him. It certainly shows in this draft this year dont ya think?