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Igbinoghene is a stud....

Birdmond said:
Nope if you change your moniker all seniority is lost.
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Ok well thanks for the knowledge you just supplied me with I guess. I guess I haven't been around since 2002 and now I'm new.
 
He was not great. But was better than expected. I was expecting total disaster out if him, once I saw he was starting. Last year he was fooled on almost every play and was seemingly trailing the reciever, all the time. But today I didn't see that, he had one bad play and held his own. Hopefully he's starting to get it.
 
It seems like nobody is mentioning that it looked like he may have hurt his shoulder or elbow pretty good late in the game and was in pretty obvious pain. Not sure what happened there.
 
LimpdickGary said:
He's a first round pick last year and he's 4th on the depth chart. Miami knew he was raw but he's even more "not ready" than they had hoped for at this point. He is still not ready to really make any contributions this year. Needham looks a million times better in coverage.
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You do have to consider that he's 4th on the depth chart behind a CB who got ten INT's and could have been DPOY last year, and the other guy was like the most expensive DB in the league or something last year. Add some perspective to things.

I'm not sure if he is actually 4th on the depth chart or not, though.
 
Sirspud said:
Vontae Davis didn't really "get it" his entire time here...that was why we negotiated a trade with his grandma.

I mean, while Sean Smith came out of the gates hot with more INT's his rookie preseason than he'd have his entire Dolphin career (I'm not sure if that's exaggeration or not), Vontae had some flashes. But either way it would be wrong to say he ever put it together when he was traded, on a TV show no less, specifically because he never put it together.
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He made two pro bowls.
 
Sirspud said:
You do have to consider that he's 4th on the depth chart behind a CB who got ten INT's and could have been DPOY last year, and the other guy was like the most expensive DB in the league or something last year. Add some perspective to things.

I'm not sure if he is actually 4th on the depth chart or not, though.
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Then YOU have to consider why the hell did Miami's from office draft him if you choose to go with that logic. If their plan was to pay top dollar to 2 corners, who are going to start, then they spent a 1st round pick to groom a nickel corner. Makes you think
 
Sirspud said:
Vontae Davis didn't really "get it" his entire time here...that was why we negotiated a trade with his grandma.

I mean, while Sean Smith came out of the gates hot with more INT's his rookie preseason than he'd have his entire Dolphin career (I'm not sure if that's exaggeration or not), Vontae had some flashes. But either way it would be wrong to say he ever put it together when he was traded, on a TV show no less, specifically because he never put it together.
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And I’d argue we shouldn’t have traded him. He ended up being a pro bowl corner for the Colts I think? I think that’s where we traded him. I admit he was immature, and on Hard Knocks he looked like an idiot, but he was a good player and Failbin wasn’t exactly a good coach or the best judge of talent. We would’ve been better off keeping Vontae as he goes down as yet another talented player a failed Dolphins coaching staff couldn’t develop who found success away from the Phins. In any case, he did start to put it together in his third season on the field, he just lacked maturity.
 
Kyndig said:
And I’d argue we shouldn’t have traded him. He ended up being a pro bowl corner for the Colts I think? I think that’s where we traded him. I admit he was immature, and on Hard Knocks he looked like an idiot, but he was a good player and Failbin wasn’t exactly a good coach or the best judge of talent. We would’ve been better off keeping Vontae as he goes down as yet another talented player a failed Dolphins coaching staff couldn’t develop who found success away from the Phins. In any case, he did start to put it together in his third season on the field, he just lacked maturity.
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I don't think we necessarily should have traded him either. And obviously he was immature and not that mentally competent, but failure to develop and handle guys like Vontae was an indictment of the coaching staffs we had.
 
LimpdickGary said:
Then YOU have to consider why the hell did Miami's from office draft him if you choose to go with that logic. If their plan was to pay top dollar to 2 corners, who are going to start, then they spent a 1st round pick to groom a nickel corner. Makes you think
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Why we drafted him is a different question and certainly what the front office did or didn't do and how smart it was isn't Noah's fault. You have to separate the two.

I honestly thought Noah was the worst pick we made high in the draft last year, and I think it was pretty stupid that we traded Tunsil and Minkah for first rounders and then spent those first rounders drafting a DB and an LT, but I would guess the front office drafted him because they felt like they needed more DB talent.
 
Sirspud said:
Why we drafted him is a different question and certainly what the front office did or didn't do and how smart it was isn't Noah's fault. You have to separate the two.

I honestly thought Noah was the worst pick we made high in the draft last year, and I think it was pretty stupid that we traded Tunsil and Minkah for first rounders and then spent those first rounders drafting a DB and an LT, but I would guess the front office drafted him because they felt like they needed more DB talent.
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Nope, not his fault, of course. But my point is they envisioned him starting and that isn't going to happen in the next 2 years. He's a huge liability. He's a freak athlete trying to learn to play corner in the nfl.
 
LimpdickGary said:
Nope, not his fault, of course. But my point is they envisioned him starting and that isn't going to happen in the next 2 years. He's a huge liability. He's a freak athlete trying to learn to play corner in the nfl.
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I don't know, his only real avenue to starting would have been to supplant two of the highest paid guys in the league. Did the team really "envision" one of the guys they were spending a ton of money on, or a guy they were spending a high draft pick on, "failing?" Somebody had to lose out, and it so happened that a guy who had been a top corner before but had a knee problem the team didn't want him to play through the year before, came in and had an elite season.
 
Normally I think the "move him to safety" argument is pretty dumb but in his case it might work.

His biggest weakness seems to be locating the ball and turning around when running with a receiver. As a safety he could keep his eyes in the backfield more often and use his athleticism.

That said, I wouldn't make that move now. Give him some time and he might improve in that area.
 
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